Fuji hatred? Why?

[Guest Ilovemycam]

Well, the last Fuji forum I was on threw me out. They didn't like me calling them 'camera fondlers.' Lets see how this Fuji forum works out.

 

Op...I discuss the Fuji in detail here..

 

(nsfw)

 

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/the-fuji-x-at-large/

 

Here I discuss the Fuji compared to the Leica M240. Towards the end, there is a Fuji image compared to Leica M240 images. Personally I wish Fuji made Leica sensors.

 

(nsfw)

 

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/my-review-of-the-leica-m240-that-dp-refused-to-publish/

 

In short, Fuji is a fantastic cam and Fuji is a terrible cam. Just depends on how you use it.

[Trenton Talbot]

(nsfw)

 

You've got my inner anthropologist really curious… How do you manage to post some really puke inducing NSFW scenes – yet at the same time censor yourself from using even remotely obscene wording in your posts? 

[flysurfer]

Leica is already using the same Sony sensors as Fuji. Not in the M, of course.

[antonio]

Didn't Fuji themselves picture the DSLR-user as a caveman in one of their campaigns? Aren't there a lot of Fuji fanboys (even X-photographers) writing and talking in a very offensive, even destructive manner about Nikon & Canon, making a story how they ditched all that mass-consumer gear in favor of these so much better X-series?

 

I'm almost 40 year a passionate photographer and I have really used a lot of brands and brands. None of them was perfect, but each of them had a particular 'sweet spot' in which I could use them. For me, a camera is a tool, not a cult. I don't need to over-defend like some do why I stay with a particular brand, or why I purchased a brand-new MLIC-solution, as long as the result is perfectly matching my expectations than that's my choice.

 

I still find that Fuji isn't as much the holy grail as some claim it to be, but in it's particular window of a lightweight, compact IL solution, it's one of the best things I've seen. There it stays for me, it doesn't have to be more.

[antonio]

I agree whit chatnoir,je pense le memme

[citral]

Well, the last Fuji forum I was on threw me out. They didn't like me calling them 'camera fondlers.' Lets see how this Fuji forum works out.

 

Op...I discuss the Fuji in detail here..

 

(nsfw)

 

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2015/05/12/the-fuji-x-at-large/

 

Here I discuss the Fuji compared to the Leica M240. Towards the end, there is a Fuji image compared to Leica M240 images. Personally I wish Fuji made Leica sensors.

 

(nsfw)

 

https://danielteolijr.wordpress.com/2015/05/11/my-review-of-the-leica-m240-that-dp-refused-to-publish/

 

In short, Fuji is a fantastic cam and Fuji is a terrible cam. Just depends on how you use it.

 

I agree with you that the focus by wire is terrible, but otherwise finding there are too many buttons on a X-E1 is really strange, if you have greasy goofy fingers it's your problem... If anything that's missing it's an iso dial, there you could have everyone happy, the "I only need iso/speed/aperture" crowd and the ones that also like to change to square format, or jpegs only, or use a timer from time to time.

 

By the way I find what you do interresting even if you have ugly tastes in terms of processing. Why it's interresting is because it provokes a reaction and immediatly takes most of us out of our "comfort zone". Which is not the case with endless pages of "explore" full of flower macros, lovely sunsets and staged portraits. Carebears will always say don't shoot this or that, this is rude, I don't want to see the thrash of this world but they are just missing out on the whole picture that this world is about. Or maybe they are afraid because it reflects a part of themselves they don't want to see

[methodphoto]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up Steve Huff.  LOL.  made it all the way to the first reply. 

 

I loved his one where he compared Raw files from Fuji, Sony and Olympus, and just used Adobe Camera Raw for the processing and then got defensive when people pointed out that the Raw converter has an affect.

 

Naturally he chose Olympus, cos he prefers Olympus.

 

Then he kinda slagged off Zack Arias for being a fuji fanboy.

 

I can see why some might get tetchy when real Fuji fanboys do act like the cameras are the second coming.

 

But that is what the Internet does

[PeterG]

The camera gear is just tools and if you feel comfortable and love them you make a better job.

Maybe the people spreading the hatred and showing off their worst sides on the net would find peace and harmony if they switched brand   

"It's not the fault of the hammer when the carpenter bends the nail."

[my_balls_are_itchy]

On scoop.it I regularly come across articles published on various blogs around the world which appear, at first sight, as being of Fuji interest ( which is the reason why they are there I suppose)  but when you actually open them and read the article you see that they were written with the sole purpose of a passive-aggressive hateful intent against Fuji.

 

 

I guarantee you this, Fuji (and all the others) has a "Social Media" budget who's purpose is to generate positive content. Some people get paid assignments, some get travel allowances, some get free gear and some get to participate in Beta testing. All of the people who participate or benefit from this expenditure will clam to offer independent opinions. Perhaps tasting that sweet privileged nectar compels them to be especially honest ...

 

Never the less, a contradicting opinion can at times be useful, the message might not be as as nice (since they don't get the same privileged nectar) ... but you don't have to read it if you don't like it.

[milandro]

...or, in some cases, be especially biased.

[citral]

Some would have honestly loved to love Fuji for all the manual controls but could not cope with the AF slowness / low light hunting of an E-X1 in a wedding and thus got grumpy.

 

Some feel they need to defend their Olympus choice because they just can't be wrong when so many are praising Fuji.

 

Some hate the hipster image of the fuji cams (and tbh, half of the fuji blogs have half leather cases and starbuck ice-moccha-latte-blue-mountain pictures in them).

 

Whatever, someone who owns a blog can write all the crap he wants in it, welcome to the internets.

[flysurfer]

In camera and camera brand forums, cameras aren't "just tools". They are a hobby and a passion. This forum isn't about photography or art in general, it's about Fuji X series cameras, lenses and accessories, how to make the most out of them and how to enjoy them the most. It's about hardware most of us like or even love to use in our spare time, so of course many people are passionate about them. "Just tools"? Give me a break!

 

This "cameras are just tools" speech is as like saying "horses are just a means of transport" in a horse lover forum. Heck, even cars aren't just "a means of transport" in a Porsche forum—they too are a hobby and a passion.

 

To pretend that the vast majority in this forum are cool, emotionless pros who are buying cameras and lenses like a cleaning professional is buying vacuum cleaner bags ("just tools") is clearly off the mark.

[Jozzzzz]

When looking at this from a psychological viewpoint: "people" have a tendency to try to belong to a group. It makes them feel secure. It doesn't really matter what the group is about: sports, cars, beer, camera brand, you name it. So if you have made your choice it's important to stick to this. You will try to ignore information that's not congruent with your conviction. But secretly you are interested in what's going on with the "other" product, especially when this product gets positive reviews. Actually, you ARE interested. This generates fear, anger and negative remarks on forums. (Yes, a little over the top; but there is some truth in this....)

[boondoggle]

Can't we all just get along?  

 

1.  Adverts are adverts and we can only feel sorry for those that take them seriously

2.  If you love your camera, you're possibly pre-sensitized to criticism and don't even know it.

3.  People like different things, thank goodness.

4.  Many people feel an unconscious need to justify the purchase of relatively expensive stuff.  This can take the form of defending your chosen system beyond all logic, or denigrating others, or both.

[Trenton Talbot]

4.  Many people feel an unconscious need to justify the purchase of relatively expensive stuff.  This can take the form of defending your chosen system beyond all logic, or denigrating others, or both.

 

Then there's also a rationalization of non-purchase, where "I cannot afford that lovely thingie" magically transforms into "I don't need that crap".

[citral]

In camera and camera brand forums, cameras aren't "just tools". They are a hobby and a passion. This forum isn't about photography or art in general, it's about Fuji X series cameras, lenses and accessories, how to make the most out of them and how to enjoy them the most. It's about hardware most of us like or even love to use in our spare time, so of course many people are passionate about them. "Just tools"? Give me a break!

 

This "cameras are just tools" speech is as like saying "horses are just a means of transport" in a horse lover forum. Heck, even cars aren't just "a means of transport" in a Porsche forum—they too are a hobby and a passion.

 

To pretend that the vast majority in this forum are cool, emotionless pros who are buying cameras and lenses like a cleaning professional is buying vacuum cleaner bags ("just tools") is clearly off the mark.

I could very well imagine a forum where people would debate endlessly about the merits of their vacuum cleaner that would very much look like a camera forum where people would only talk about their passion for their gear without even knowing how to use it / what to do with it.

 

Or a Fender forum where people would talk about how they compare (woods, made in USA vs Mexico etc) and how they are so much better than Gibsons anyways without even knowing how to play a damn chord.

 

You are wrong, cameras are just tools, that can help us achieve our vision, just like guitars can help us reach the sound we want.

 

Everything else is futile. Pixels do not matter more than creation.

 

Having a shutter speed dial helps me achieve my vision. Having Fuji labeled on it does not. Passionate about my camera, not caring about pictures, Jesus this is so wrong I didn't even know it could be possible.

 

Better put it quick in a display cabinet.

[x-tc]

People in Fender forums put their stuff in display cabinets?  Or is that reserved for the Gibson Les Paul crowd? 

[Shadowside]

I could very well imagine a forum where people would debate endlessly about the merits of their vacuum cleaner that would very much look like a camera forum where people would only talk about their passion for their gear without even knowing how to use it / what to do with it.

 

Or a Fender forum where people would talk about how they compare (woods, made in USA vs Mexico etc) and how they are so much better than Gibsons anyways without even knowing how to play a damn chord.

 

You are wrong, cameras are just tools, that can help us achieve our vision, just like guitars can help us reach the sound we want.

 

Everything else is futile. Pixels do not matter more than creation.

 

Having a shutter speed dial helps me achieve my vision. Having Fuji labeled on it does not. Passionate about my camera, not caring about pictures, Jesus this is so wrong I didn't even know it could be possible.

 

Better put it quick in a display cabinet.

Nailed it!

 

Neither the artist nor the brush matters more then the work itself, and it's a piss-poor musician that blames their instrument (Fenders included lol).

[Trenton Talbot]

I could very well imagine a forum where people would debate endlessly about the merits of their vacuum cleaner 

 

Well, sometimes sarcasm becomes a self fulfilling prophecy… 

[Autriche]

All excellent posts! I love Fuji, but I'll be the first to admit that my Canon gear has flash capabilities that the X series cameras can only dream of. So, of course, If I need to be shooting flash all day, I'm not even going to pack my Fuji gear. If I don't need flash, and am going on a hike, then the small and lightweight Fuji comes out to play.

 

The camera is a tool. I don't use a hammer to open a bottle, or a bottle opener to pound nails into the wall. I use whatever is best suited to what the task at hand is. And since we all have so many different tasks, it's impossible to find the one and only tool for everyone. Anyone who claims otherwise is no expert, just someone speaking from the standpoint of their own convictions, and we should remember this when we read their posts.

 

" I may not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it "

[dsidaway]

Lots of people like to dump on other stuff as a way of feeling justified for buying the stuff they bought. What, looking for a new car? You should buy the car I bought that way I'll feel better about the car that I bought.  This computer vs that computer, this camera vs that camera... and so it goes.

 

Don't give the attention seeker the attention the seeker seeks.

[flysurfer]

Having a shutter speed dial helps me achieve my vision. Having Fuji labeled on it does not. Passionate about my camera, not caring about pictures, Jesus this is so wrong I didn't even know it could be possible.

 

 

It's the norm, it's reality in camera gear forums. If you can't see it, your perception skills are simply very, very, very bad.

[flysurfer]

Well, sometimes sarcasm becomes a self fulfilling prophecy… 

 

That's why I said vacuum bags.

Vacuum cleaners can be a very emotional purchase.

[citral]

It's the norm, it's reality in camera gear forums. If you can't see it, your perception skills are simply very, very, very bad.

 

Sounds like you have mastered forum psychology, thank you for enlighting us peasants with your super powers.

[milandro]

Many people feel an unconscious need to justify the purchase of relatively expensive stuff.  This can take the form of defending your chosen system beyond all logic, or denigrating others, or both.

 

I actually don’t particularly care if someone buys another camera or likes mine less than his. I fully accept and have embraced long ago the notion that the world is a place where people have all different needs, wants, make different choices and G-D forbid if we were all alike!

 

I don’t have any problem with people overtly saying I don’t like the fuji cameras.

 

This was not the reason I opened this thread. I don’t mind at all that others think that I have grabbed unwittingly the wrong end of the stick when I bought into this camera system.

 

It does bother me though when somebody hides his acrimony under a blanket of only apparent civilized manners and choses to spew negativity out while making it under the disguise of a test. In other words masking subjectivity under the false pretenses of objectivity.

 

That’s all.

 

To all those advising me of not let me bother by that, thank you, I will try to follow your wise advise.