darknj

life is full of obstacles and opportunities and one can indeed see a problem for every solution or a solution for every problem.

The two camera work in very different ways.
 
The X-T1 would feel more "nervous" almost eager to take picture, the X-Pro1 feels more calm and steadier. At least that's the feeling I got when I tried both cameras.
 
Unlike Paul, I wasn't really convinced by the X-Pro1 hybrid view finder, the part OVF and EVF didn't really worked for me. It is good to have the option to use either when needed but, I don't know, it felt weird when I tested it out.
I guess I like my view finders to be either full OVF or full EVF, not a cross of both.
 
One thing that was not mentioned, if I missed it, my apologies, but do be careful with long lenses or lenses with long lens hood, it can get into your OVF, or so I have been told.
Since I only had the 35mm to test the X-Pro1 I can not say for certain if that is indeed the case or not nor how bad it is, but reports does exist about it.
 
That aside:
 
- Same sensor.
- Older CPU to process the image.
- Some physical differences.
 
In the end, nothing really major nor earthshaking. It still takes pictures and like so many people before me, it's the spongy thingy that 10 cm behind the view finder that makes the differences.

The two cameras are doing different things, the X100 series is clearly for an easy to carry around, the X-Pro1 offer the flexibility of XF lenses while keeping it smallish.
 
Now, if we could get an XF pankake 23mm F2.8 lens, I am certain there would be many buyers from the forum already.

Alright, let's play your game with math then. We will just assume the X and Y axis and avoid the Z thickness.
 
The X-T1 is 120mm by 90mm, so if we were to shift the numbers around a bit, we would be getting some 105mm x 105mm, which is a nice little square. But even with all that, we still don't have any more room to add the extra battery. We might be able to get another set of button but where are you going to fit that battery without enlarging the body ?
Alright, let's just add 10mm more to both axis and believe that is plenty enough to add an extra battery, now we are sitting at 115mm by 115mm, if I look back at my orignal number (120 x 90), we are 5mm less than the original length already while being over 10% taller. 
 
Even if we were to keep the 105mm size on both axis I wish you the best of luck to find a bag that will accommodate with the square shape. A lot of the current bags are made for rectangular shaped camera bodies. I have access to a D3S camera on regular basis and trust me, there aren't much bag to easily transport it with a lens attached. Once you are ready to shoot, you have to take it out hanging on a strap or keep it in your hand. It might be good for an hour but if you have to walk around in a city for street shooting or even a wedding, this is going get really annoying really fast.
 
Let's go a step further and also add the Z to the equation now, which brings us to 120mm x 90mm x 46mm, that's roughly 500cm cubic. Again, let's go they are able to squeeze the same volume, we will be a lot tighter now it's going to be 90mm by 90mm for both X and Y axis, but the Z depth is going to increase to 61.5mm, that's a good 30% increase in thickness already and really close of the thickness of a Nikon D5500 and still no secondary battery, which would add more thickness making it close to the thickness of a D610, the smallest of the the FF Nikon camera.
 
With that 90x90 form factor, the camera will be very difficult to hold, it's close of being a loaf of bread of half a kilogram already without any lenses and with quite a consequent thickness to it...
 
Sorry but I really do not find that appealing in anyway.

Fuji has gone past and abandoned any previous experience when they started the whole of the X line.
 
New look, functions, bayonet and ultimately a completely different philosophy form their previous S cameras. This was the reason of their current relative success while before the current success, their involvement in photography was at a dead end and wasn’t showing promises for the future.
 
If the market would take a different direction they might go back into rethinking their current philosophy but in my opinion there is absolutely nothing to make me think there is any such trend and I think that  this is not likely to happen in the near future.
 
The territory of specialized accessory for particular needs within the X cameras is certainly one which independent makers could explore and possibly exploit.
 
Companies such as Fuji are not in the business to cater for the particular needs of a minority of their customers.
 
The investment would be simply too big for a return that is simply too small.
 
Let’s not forget that as a corporation they make more than 50% with copiers, from the remaining part, the largest profit comes from instant photography, only a very small part of the remaining profit comes from mirrorless cameras and within this niche in their activities a need for a camera with more battery capability and a larger grip would represent such a small demand that they, as a company, could never be fulfilling.
 
http://www.fujifilmholdings.com/en/index.html
 
A small independent maker though, without all the baggage of a large corporation might be able to do this. Of course there would be the need for a certain amount of co operation between companies which might interest Fuji or not but it is certainly a possibility.
 
In this respect 3D printing can be a very good way forward since numbers would be so small that injection molding costs would be prohibitive.

Can't. Don't have an i40.
 
 
 

 
Batman doesn't know. He would have to have both of these cameras at the same time.

Thanks for the feedback guys.
 
I'm thinking things are okay. I did a rough measurement today and it fell pretty much exactly 2ft onto a carpeted floor (with a wood subfloor). Since I was holding it before I let it go, if fell accessory door first. I didn't notice how it landed, but since the lens cap was pushed on harder, I'm hoping it absorbed some of the impact. The AF doesn't sound any different or seem any slower, and my photos from the rest of the day don't seem soft - but it was a wedding and I mostly shoot people anyway, so it's mostly centre frame.
 
I'll keep a close eye on it and shoot it often but try not to worry. With no external moving parts and a (more or less) pro build, it should hopefully be fine. Thankfully it wasn't the 35 1.4. I'm not normally one to obsess over little things, but money is tight and I use this lens for work, and it would be a big hit to have to get it repaired - I'm guessing it would be an expensive fix. I'll shoot it some more after work and update here if I find anything interesting.

My main takeaway from this is don't lend a camera to Mike K!   

Any addition to the cameras as they are can only ever be causing an increase of both size and weight. You can’t have more batteries and an extra shutter button without doing precisely that. 
Next to my X-T1 , I’ve just bought a X-E2 and the compactness of the camera brought me back to why I ever decided to buy my first X camera, the X-E1.

Meh... I wouldn't like it, at all.
 
I really like how "small" my X-T1 is and if I really need the extra juice I can add the battery grip, but to be forced to have it on at all times, I really wouldn't like it and would simply skip that update even if all the new bells and whistles would be on it.
 
Ergonomics are more important than features for me.

I wanted to share some feedback on these 2 adaptors.
 
I've used several Fotodiox adaptors on my Sony A7r and on the XPro1. They're generally well made and I've had no complaints.
 
I recently purchased the "Fotodiox Pro" Contax G - Fuji FX  adaptor (pic.1) approx. €98-
Very disappointed, main gripes=
1. No locking mechanism to keep the lens in place. In fact the lens fell out a few times as I changed the aperture.
2. Very rough focus movement, which didn't free up after 3 weeks of use. 
 
I then returned that adaptor and purchased the Standard Fotodiox Contax G - Fuji FX adaptor (pic.2) approx. €65-
Much happier with this version, it has a locking mechanism for the lens and after a little use the focus ring is much smoother.
 
Anyone considering these adaptors, don't be fooled that the more expensive version is better.
(Images are from Fotodiox website).
 
 
 

Hi darknj,
 
I'm sticking with the X100S.  It has no problems.  The X100T has been mothballed until such a time as Fuji sees sense and corrects its firmware.
 
The X-Pro1 is also still fantastic, and gets great use.
 
I don't have a personal problem with the XP2, as it hasn't even been released for sale yet.  Maybe Fuji will read my comments, and those of many others in the Internet who are complaining about the same, single issue.  I have also written to Fuji in Japan asking them to reconsider their "improvements", but have never received a reply.  Fuji aren't famous for replying.
 
I bought the X100T on trust gained over five years of fantastic Fuji use.  I was disappointed.  A lot of people are disappointed about the change in menu viewing.  The recent change, for some photographers, is sufficient to render the camera unfit for use for their style of photography.
 
As an analogy, when governments create new laws that clearly go against the will of the people, the people protest and make their feelings known.  Often the governments will listen and adjust what they have done in order to be more acceptable to their voters.  To just accept changes that are not good is called apathy.  This process also applies to the retail sector.  We do not work for Fuji.  Fuji works for us.  If Fuji, like a government, does things that are wrong, people will stop supporting it.
 
I use Fuji cameras.  My last major exhibition was clearly publicised as an exhibition of images taken on Fuji cameras, as are all my exhibitions.  That exhibition in Milan saw over ONE MILLION visitors, all of whom were informed that the images were all taken on Fuji cameras.  I believe in Fuji.  I like Fuji, but if Fuji get something wrong I will tell them, so they can reconsider and get back on the right track.
 
Sadly, there are a lot of apathetic people around who just blindly accept changes, whether good or bad, and whose answer is simply if you don't like it, go elsewhere.  That is negative, apathetic and not conducive to improvement.
 
I have been a journalist for over 40 years.  I expose issues in the public interest.  It's what I do.
 
95% of what Fuji are doing is fantastic.  4% is not so good, and 1% is bad.  That's better than most producers
 
On behalf of those who blindly believe that everything Fuji do is perfect, and that to criticise it in any way is nothing short of blasphemy, I will voice my thoughts as widely as possible, hoping that those thoughts will help Fuji to avoid the 1% that some people would rather quietly ignore, and suffer in silence.
 
Fuji is fantastic, but sometimes it needs to be shouted at a bit..... as has been mentioned by others in this thread, if you speak quietly Fuji doesn't always listen

I also hate the ISO dial on the X-T1, but eventually I still got used to it. My workflow changed to adapt that silly dial.
 
But yeah, I still don't know why they didn't made it clickable, press it once and you are on free roll ISO, press it again and you lock it down. I would have loved it so much more that way.

Luckily for me, I still don't. But I can get behind that, I tried to shoot with sunglasses a few time and it was super annoying to do the menu settings even with the optional long eyecup on the X-T1. I was still able to make do but mostly because I know my Q menu by heart now.
 
Also, please accept my apologies for previous comment, I was not considerate enough to notice that you were wearing glasses. This isn't really Fuji's strong suit.

I also hate the ISO dial on the X-T1, but eventually I still got used to it. My workflow changed to adapt that silly dial.
 
But yeah, I still don't know why they didn't made it clickable, press it once and you are on free roll ISO, press it again and you lock it down. I would have loved it so much more that way.

I think that this is a cultural thing.
 
Most photographers in continental Europe prefer owning the equipment which they use.
 
Strangely enough shared ownership of cars for example is way more popular in Europe than it is in the US ( of course the population density does play a role in this).
 
There are however, and there always were, places where you could rent cameras and lenses but they are generally targeted to the most popular models and brands for professional use, some only in the film industry where renting was always the norm rather more than the exception.
 
Here a few addresses in the Netherlands and Belgium
 
http://www.grobet.be/nl/services/verhuur/
https://budgetcam.nl
http://www.camerahurennederland.nl
http://cameraverhuurxl.nl
http://www.pixto-f.eu/camera-huren-verhuur/canon
http://www.fotokonijnenberg.nl/occasions-verhuur/verhuur
http://www.ostron.be
http://www.kamera-express.nl/over-ons/verhuurservice1/

None taken, and to stay on your point. Look at it the other way around. They could have NOT said anything, let the frustrated ppl buy the X-T10 for the new features and still launched the X-E2S for those that didn't grab the X-T10 and still leave everyone with X-E2 waiting for the XE-3 to be released.
 
Many manufacturers (*coughs*Canikon*coughs*) would have done it that way and everybody would have been "fine" with it.
 
Remember they are still a business and making money is still their number one goal. Everything else is secondary. Any business company that tries to convince you of anything else is purely and simply lying.

The lack of Kaizen for the X-E2 when the X-T10 came onto the market sent shock waves around which, in my opinion, are still reverberating to this day.
 
I thought back then and still think now, that they at Fuji had misjudged how, customers who had bought for a lot more money a camera that was in essence very similar to the X-T10 ( at least in potential capabilities to upgrade) and occupying the same market segment, would be confronted with the X-T1 being upgraded while the X-E2 wasn’t.
 
However it is true that Kaizen cannot be infinite.
 
Of course it has to stop sometime and not so much because of developing costs, since firmware is, yes camera specific, but can be adapted within cameras of the same generation, unless there is something which physically prevents it.
 
Often, there is NOTHING to prevent that. As we saw, for example with people hacking the software update of some cameras to provide older models with upgrades which were deliberately NOT provided.
 
To some extent the lack of upgrade is a marketing tool to nudge the customer into buying the newer model.
 
This is most evident in the telephone industry where some companies limit firmware updates to two years after the introduction of the model but sometimes they sell the telephones even after that date, so you buy a model that will never be updated.

They all do this nowadays. They even make cameras out to test water and make customer pays for the R&D for some specific features or an algorithm that will be used in the next flagship.
 
Granted, Fuji might not have a super tight control over their FW and might skip some Quality Checks for new releases of FW, but where have you seen anything even remotely close of that from other manufacturers ?
 
Canon almost never release any good FW for any camera, Sony had to be bemoaned at for several weeks before the introduced the 14 bit lossless compression ? Even Nikon is going to release a FW patch for the unreleased D5 because there have been enough ppl complaining about the ridiculous 3min 4k recording.
But they are all doing it for their flagship cameras, the lower lines are pretty much disregarded.
 
The X-E2 is still a 2 years old camera, I still find it remarkable that they still try to improve the features.

If you have some nice lenses, you might want to keep them and consider adapters, or manual focus if you don't mind that.

marpar, welcome to the forum, the “ like” button is best used when one agrees!   

I'm glad to live in Germany.
Free loaners for everybody during the repair time (one only has to ask). 
And free one-time sensor cleaning by Fujifilm with every system camera purchase.
And 2 years warranty.

The X-Pro2 EVF is much smaller. About a quarter to 30% smaller, I'd estimate.
 
Completely unscientific...I just held both of them to my head at the same time. X-Pro2 with my left eye and X-T1 with my right.

I had this issue a couple of times but it turned out to be the eye cup moving around a bit and blocking part of the eye sensor.
 
Had also some odd behavior when the drive dial is stuck halfway between 2 modes, or speed dials sometimes too.
 
The camera can sometimes do odd things when knobs are not turned fully or switches pressed all the way. Double check that part too.
 
Also, if it is under warranty, it takes them usually 3 weeks including all the shipping but make to run it by your camera shop, it makes a lot of things smoother.

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