Life Before X-T2?

[Aswald]

Now that the X-T2 is announced and it looks like THE camera X-shooters have been asking for, I wanted to gauge if current x-shooters is going to ditch their existing gear for the X-T2. X-Pro2 owners included.

 

Here are a few very compelling reasons I can think of....

 

1. 24.3 mpix

2. X-Trans III

3. Better ergonomics.

4. Better battery life.

5. 325 AF points, 169 phase detect

6. Costomizable AF-C Setting

7. Superfast AF (esp. with battery grip)

8. 11 fps (with battery grip)

9. 100hz refresh rate EVF (with battery grip)

10. 4K Video 

11. Tilting Screen

12. Optional battery grip with BOOST function

13. Tethering 

14.  The list goes on...

 

For me the 11fps and battery grip is very attractive feature to have. I love the thought that there's a "turbo" boost at hand when needed.

 

4K video is great too although I hardly do video......what do you guys think?

[milandro]

I am saying this with no envy or harboring any ill feelings towards those who are going to buy the X-T2. If I had no camera and would need to buy one today, I’d probably go for the latest model myself

 

But... I do have two cameras.

 

My X-T12 and X-E2 give me more than I need already in terms of image quality and camera performance. Until now, I’ve yet to come across any photographic situation where the camera was the limit. I am.

 

The only real improvement, for me, is the joystick and the increased number of autofocus points both of which could be beneficial in my type of photography. Nothing of all the rest means much or anything to me. But that is, frankly speaking, too little to make me shed that much money.

 

Generation 2 of the XT series has failed to entice me. After its introduction I will keep making the same pictures, with no regrets, that I was making before of its release. Who knows, maybe generation 3 will.

 

Few days ago I was in London and in the Mayfair week-end traffic (!) , we were there in a few years old Mercedes, next to us there was a Bentley and a Ferrari. I have no doubt that both other cars were newer and more luxurious but we were all stuck in traffic doing the same speed and trying to move from A to B.

 

I’ve never printed, in my entire life, anything more than 3 meter by 2meter and my lab tells me that I can do that with high quality output from my 16Mb files if I so wish. I bet that most people who so desperately need 24Mp won’t ever print anything anywhere near that size so, probably, would be stuck in the same traffic trying to move from A to B too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don’t film and if I would what my cameras provide would fit my hypothetical needs. If I ever needed more I would buy a film camera.

[Gunnar]

The X-T2 looks very, very nice and I'm sure it will sell well. But I have a X-Pro2 that fulfills all my photographic needs and then some, so no X-T2 for me. 

[frod]

I don't need anything more than my X-Pro1 provides me already, and I don't imagine this camera would make a difference to my photographs equal to the cost of upgrading to it. The list of improvements is long but relatively incremental; I'm sure it's a better camera but I just don't do the kind of photography that would benefit from the improvements.

Edited July 9, 2016 by frod

[mdm]

The only thing I miss with my X-E2 is X-T's EVF.

[EddieX]

Man, I already ditched my X-T1 into the fire.

[deva]

I don't care much about the 24 MP... it does give some more cropping room, but it also makes bigger file sizes. 

 

• The joystick is fantastic. (On the X-Pro2) and I find the lack painful on the X-T1. Big selling point.
• The grip with 2 extra batteries for when I am shooting street events means less battery changing. I appreciate that but it is not so bad to change batteries.
• Better video... and not just 4k. Definite selling point for me if it is good enough that I do not need a separate video camera. 
• 2 Card slots is a big one for me for upgrading from the X-T1
• Blackout on the X-Pro2 is much less than the X-T1. The relatively long blackout of the X-T1 bothers me. I expect the X-T2 to be as fast if not faster than the X-Pro2
• General speed of the X-T1 is kinda slow. Turn on, wake up, blackout etc. X-T2 is significantly faster. 
• Faster AF on X-T2 matters to me for sure.
• Better buttons and doors also matters to me. 
• The speed with the grip means I can shoot fast changing events more effectively and yet I can take off the grip, and go out walking with a prime lens and still have the light compact camera with exceptional IQ and capability. Best of both possibilities!

So once my X-T2's arrive (pre-ordered 2) I'll sell my X-T1 and keep the X-Pro2

[johant]

Meh ... my X-Pro1 still works fine. And frankly, the trend towards bulky mirrorless cameras goes straight against the reason why I switched from Canon to Fuji.

If they introduce a X-E3, I might be interested (or not, because I like the OVF too much). But even the X-T1 is bigger than I want, so the X-T2 certainly is too much of a good thing.

[aceflibble]

It's very meh. I was excited for it, as any regular here would know. My original plan was to sell off one of my existing T10s to get a T2 right away, with the other T10 being a back-up, and then selling and upgrading to a second T2 once I was comfortable with the new body. The T2 improves on everything in every way, so it was basically a no-brainer.
But with the pound falling through the floor and the price jumping up by over 50% at the last minute, suddenly I'm not that bothered. I could get one, but out of principal I object to paying so much for what is, as far as my work is concerned, merely a resolution increase. I like a lot of the T2's new and/or improved features, but when it comes down to what will actually make a critical difference to my day-to-day work, the resolution and vague possibility of better tethering are the only things which will be noticable. For video it would be a back-up at best, and likely remain untouched. For casual shooting, any of the first generation of Fuji cameras is fine as they are. 

Is jumping one of my mirrorless cameras from 16mp to 24mp worth £1600, when I already have a 21mp 1Ds and a 50mp Leaf Credo at my disposal? And upgrading both will mean £3200. It doesn't seem like a worthwhile use of money. Even if I wrangle a bit of a discount with one of the local stores, it's still going to be a lot of money for what is a noticable but not game-changing upgrade. For the cost of upgrading to the T2, I could buy a VR-ready PC, a new TV, and have enough left over for a nice weekend away somewhere. I know which I'd rather have.

So I think I'll be waiting. I'm sure I'll buy a T2, eventually. Once one of the T10s actually breaks and the price has dropped to the £1000 mark or less. That's really what I feel is reasonable for this kind of body. But I've lasted fine without the Pro2, and I'm sure waiting for that T2 price drop isn't going to kill me, either.

 

 

I’ve never printed, in my entire life, anything more than 3 meter by 2meter and my lab tells me that I can do that with high quality output from my 16Mb files if I so wish. I bet that most people who so desperately need 24Mp won’t ever print anything anywhere near that size

 

Depends what you're trying to print and for why. Double-page photo of anything for a big-name publication? You need 24mp. Need. Stock photography? most outlets only demand 16mp, but some do demand 20mp+; having the higher resolution helps you clean up the file even if you only need to submit a 16mp file, anyway. Exhibition client or gallery wants a full-length portrait printed to life-size which can hold up to close scrutiny? The more resolution, the better. I've had clients demand files over 36mp, just for archive purposes.

But of the four photos I've taken which I've actually wanted to print out and put on my own walls myself, the biggest one came from a 9mp file, and it's printed 3' wide, and looks great.

So, yeah. There are absolutely cases for larger and larger file sizes. There are also many times when it won't matter. It's quite wrong to write off either.

[milandro]

then we have to agree to disagree. I think that 16Mp is large enough, you don’t.

 

I’ve printed for a customer who made clothes  and belts an A3 folder in spectacular quality with 12Mp.

Edited July 10, 2016 by milandro

[frod]

I bet you could lanczos upscale a 16MP to 24MP and nobody would be any the wiser.

[aceflibble]

then we have to agree to disagree. I think that 16Mp is large enough, you don’t.

 

I’ve printed for a customer who made clothes  and belts an A3 folder in spectacular quality with 12Mp.

 

That's not what I was saying. In fact that's almost the opposite of what I said.