milandro

A modern stylite.

If I were you I would buy a 12mm Samyang ( which some say is a better lens than the Zeiss ) if you were to sell it i( but I am quite sure you will keep it) it would probably cost you less than renting a lens that you may not be able to afford. Taking the 18-55 with you is a no brainer.

The type of camera is rather immaterial since several people have reported things like that on other fora affecting different Fuji cameras. It generally concerns a card that is stuck halfway in. The Fuji (Canada) advise was to cut a small piece of paper from a playing card ( because they are thin and waxed, I suppose) and to insert it in the card slot on the side of the contacts, this should free the card catching and allow to slide out. Probably this starts with a problem with your particular copy of the card, if it has been, even slightly, damaged or warped, it might be catching inside the slot. I have used three different cards, one a micro SD with adapter, in both my X-T1 and X-E2 and never had any problem. One card that I had in the past and that I've used with a Canon had slightly split open, that one, I hypothesized, might have been giving problems sometime down the line, so I carefully (!) glued it and never had problems with it.

Aswald, I have no doubt that it will and that as you say, most buyers will buy it with the grip, hence the fitting of the X-T2 into your thread.

well, we shall see. The evidence of the growth is size, to me and others, is there. If you don’t see it or don’t want to see it, that is fine by me. The intent of a discussion is not to change other people minds but to exchange ideas, we’ve exchanged ours and, predictably, remained of our own opinion. I don’t want to escalate to bickering. I think our respective points have been made.

I am obviously talking of the X-T2 with grip and I am not being picky, this is the first camera which has shown the new thinking they are experimenting with. If the camera will be successful (and I don’t see why not) we will see more of it. The smaller lenses were announced especially for the X pro 2 were the determining factor is the OVF where big lenses are in the field of view but the X pro 2 has a different target. I don’t need to buy a X-T10, I have a X-T1 and a X-E2.

I am really considering this. I am not going for the older ones because I find them clumsy, nor would I go for the 85mm ( which is too long for my style). But the price factor is a major problem. What I will do is to wait until someone who’s bought this unwittingly realizes that it is pretty much a one trick pony ( no question about it) and after growing few up with the swirl they will sell trying to recuperate part of their investment. Then I will make my move. For the time being I am fooling around with adapted lenses for these things. They are all considerably cheaper but one trick ponies nevertheless.

To me ( and many others) size was a major selling point of mirrorless cameras. I certainly bought into the system because of its size. But if you don’t believe me, well, then read what BH has to say on mirrorless cameras ( they sell them so they know their onions about this!) “..Mirrorless cameras have been on the market for a decade, but they have really begun to make waves in the past few years. Most serious photographers would have certainly been shooting with a DSLR camera just a few years ago, but now many have traded in their DSLRs for the smaller and lighter form factors that mirrorless cameras provide. Not only are mirrorless cameras usually lighter and smaller than their DSLR counterparts, but they’re quieter, as well. With no mirror to slap up and down, street photographers, as well as wedding and theater photographers can now shoot virtually unnoticed..." Now double the size of the camera and lenses and the whole paradigm goes haywire.

I disagree. It is better to be the best at a relatively smaller game( one that has put Fuji on the map though, where were they before the introduction of the mirrorless X series?) than being the one that is chasing the frontrunners in a larger game. I think that they are trying to juggle too many things at the same time. Frankly speaking I am pretty much set with what I’ve got and for the near future I might invest in some weird glass ( I am seriously considering the new Petzval 58 with the swirl control, it ain’t cheap though)

yes, and that’s why I predict that lots of cameras will be sold with the grip, whether necessary or not. Who wants an amp to go to 10 when you can go to 11 right? @https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xgx4k83zzc

Well, in my opinion, the trend is firmly set, mirrorless, albeit Sony or Fuji or whatever, all born to be small, are growing in size under the pressure of those who want more performance and larger WR light efficient lenses. ( curiously Hasselblad did the opposite, interesting maybe there is an Hasselblad or a MF Fuji in my future, who knows, if I win the lottery!) This is , after the introduction of the X-T2 with its grip, a fact, not fiction, but you may very well think otherwise. We shall see. I don’t think we’ve seen the last of this. I think that we are going to see more of the equation bigger=better kind of thing. The populace wants it and they shall get it. It will also be interesting to see what they will make of the “ lesser” series. Will there ever be an X-3 or a X-T20 with a larger amount of pixels? What happens to the X100 (X-Y-Z) ? In the video above the X-T2 doesn’t even have the grip and size is almost there with the D810. The thing is that the Fuji should have stayed in its own niche, where it rules or shares most of the market, while when it attempts to compete with the other cameras they start missing the point.

then we have to agree to disagree. I think that 16Mp is large enough, you don’t. I’ve printed for a customer who made clothes and belts an A3 folder in spectacular quality with 12Mp.

well and a lot more expensive so if there is no gain why use it?

it is not about the camera, it is about a camera which suggest high performance only with the grip and the lenses, larger and larger. I predict that the majority of the sales will see camera with the grip. The article which sprouted the thread says it all.

I am afraid that it is the way it works and has always worked with camera with viewfinders. If the lens is too large or long you will see it. that is why they introduced the 35mmf 2 (smaller than the 1.4) and they seem to want to introduce a 23mm f 2 and a 50mm f 2. But there is no way to avoid seeing what is unavoidably there unless you use the EVF ( which won’t work with the 90 apparently).

Certainly, that’s staying true to original mirrorless spirit ( by the way, those smaller lenses were all produced in order to not obtrude the OVF vision and while they are almost a necessity for X pro users, they are a bonus for everyone else) but many seem to be now entirely focussed (pun) onto the X-T2 ( the rage of the moment) with mostly WR ( as if anyone only ever shot in the rain) and light efficient very large lenses ( despite the proven record set by Fuji of great results with high ISO setting). I don’t think that I will let myself be enticed by the 50/2 since I already have a 60mm which is a great lens for my purposes.

Should you read the whole thread you would see that it started with and article posted by Aswald of the slippery slope undertaken by Sony Of course the reason why mirrorless camera started a new course and trend in modern photography wasn’t only the retro looks (none more retro than Fujifilm) which attracts Older and Younger generations, but the fact that all of a sudden the camera had shrunk to a size that was allowing people to have great professional results with a camera based on a small format. But then the “bokeh people” started asking more light efficient lenses , which have to be larger by their own nature and the system started growing in size as well as in choice. Then there was a call for more battery life faster action and video and so it became necessary to provide a grip which is not only a container for batteries but actually enables the camera to perform those high functions which few “ need' to use but everybody would buy into, and so, the camera which was born small has grown again. The majority of the X-T2 buyers will buy the grip because nobody would want to be left out and ONLY use 9 shots a second, it has to be 11... and so gliding on the slippery slope towards making the largest small camera in the world make its way, one slide at the time.

a new meaning for contradiction in terms

maybe, if you save enough you may buy one @landscape-1443100986-x3.jpg @BUR_X3_module1_b4.jpg

this came up before and then I answered this... http://www.fuji-x-forum.com/topic/3034-cycle-bagsaddle-bag/

Have you seen this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2282054/320-gigapixel-interactive-picture-London-lets-20-MILES-zoom-people-street.html But prepare yourself to a shock with this! @bentley_zoom_inline.0.gif

With the introduction of the X-T2 and its needs for the new grip to support the need for energy if you want to shoot 11 shots a sec (as if 8 were too few) Fuji has now set the less than enviable record of having created the largest small camera in the world.

It got even worse when shooting weddings on a 6 x 6! I wasn’t a wedding photographer but before my generation all weddings were shot with a Rolleiflex. Even if you had a 220 film at most you’d get 24 shots and there was no film back to quickly replace as you then had with the Hasselblad and similar cameras. You mentioned the 250 photograms back... which required a dark room (or at least a changing bag) to be replaced (unless you had two and I don’t know of too many rich people being able to afford two). Never used one they were only for scientific applications. Times are definitely “ A" changing and not necessarily for the best. A recent ad on Dutch telly promotes the use of a certain fast internet “ Not because I need ( it) but because ( it) can be done”, apply to anything liberally. even a 10.000 shots battery needs being replaced at some point and that will be the moment that someone, somewhere will miss a shot... No matter where you place the buck the re is always a “ moment” after that!

I am saying this with no envy or harboring any ill feelings towards those who are going to buy the X-T2. If I had no camera and would need to buy one today, I’d probably go for the latest model myself But... I do have two cameras. My X-T12 and X-E2 give me more than I need already in terms of image quality and camera performance. Until now, I’ve yet to come across any photographic situation where the camera was the limit. I am. The only real improvement, for me, is the joystick and the increased number of autofocus points both of which could be beneficial in my type of photography. Nothing of all the rest means much or anything to me. But that is, frankly speaking, too little to make me shed that much money. Generation 2 of the XT series has failed to entice me. After its introduction I will keep making the same pictures, with no regrets, that I was making before of its release. Who knows, maybe generation 3 will. Few days ago I was in London and in the Mayfair week-end traffic (!) , we were there in a few years old Mercedes, next to us there was a Bentley and a Ferrari. I have no doubt that both other cars were newer and more luxurious but we were all stuck in traffic doing the same speed and trying to move from A to B. I’ve never printed, in my entire life, anything more than 3 meter by 2meter and my lab tells me that I can do that with high quality output from my 16Mb files if I so wish. I bet that most people who so desperately need 24Mp won’t ever print anything anywhere near that size so, probably, would be stuck in the same traffic trying to move from A to B too. I don’t film and if I would what my cameras provide would fit my hypothetical needs. If I ever needed more I would buy a film camera.

I am sure that it would be a product commercially successful, even better if you would find people around the world to print it for you and so saving on the sending which is otherwise going to affect the price seriously. When I bought my Lolumina soft shutter release, more than half of the total price was due to postage.