First post here... And it's a color complaint (X-T10)

[hambern]

So I upgraded from X100 to X-T10. And I'm disappointed. What has happened to the Film Simulations? Almost everyone of them is completely useless. The colors are not distinct, they seem to lack nuances, I get at blurry smeared feeling ant not that vibrant, precise and clear colors i got out of my X100. And worst of all: The X-T10 always clips the shadows, carving black holes in the picture.

 

I first noticed this when i edited pictures I've taken on a baptism lately. Most men were wearing black suits. And the suits completely dissapeared in huge black spots. It was allmost impossible to drag at least some details out from the shadows. A problem I've never had with my X100 who naturally and gradualy fades out the shadows in a beautiful way.

So I set up a test to try to mimic the X100 Provia colors. This was the X100 shot:

 

 

As you can see. The brown fur looks completely natural. I used DR200 and Provia Standard settings. You can almost touch and feel it. The smoothness... It's a fur, and it shows. Also notice the warm redish brown tone to the teak-chair. Completely true to life. Beutiful.

With the same standard Provia settings on my X-T10 i get this:
 

 

Look at those black areas in the fur! Looks real? Still DR200. No. Looks touchable? No. It looks terrible. And the warm redish brown in the chair is completely gone. Replaced with a unreal orange-brown color. Not true to life.

So i switched color mode. Everything was wore except Pro Negative Standard. After adding +2 to colors I get a much better fur. But now we get other problems...

 

 

The nice saturated colors on the child book is now quite dull. Not as all as vibrant and pure as in real life. And the chair. Still that strange orange tone. But a huge improvement from the X-T10 Provia no doubt.

Finally i tried replicating the X100 colors from the RAW file in Aperture and got quite a bit closer. What I did was to open the raw file, recover in the highlights +1 EV and adjusted the black point, down -0,3. That's it. The rest is due to Aperture.

 

 

The fur is now much more real and the colors are more vibrant. The pinkish text on the book is now almost red, which is not true to live. Still I prefer this in front of the Pro Negative Standard, color +2 image. But I'm still not happy.

I really miss my old X100 colors and I can't seem to reproduce them. Anyone else out there that has noticed the same thing. What do you do? Do we all have to start using 30+ MB Raw files all sudden??

[davidmold]

You haven't mentioned white balance, that may be the key to this issue.

[JRphoto]

So I upgraded from X100 to X-T10. And I'm disappointed...

 

Did you try setting SHADOW TONE menu item to -2? Also, it is interesting to notice that the colors tones you get depends also on the lens. For instance, the XF 60mm F2.4 renders warmer images than the XF 56mm F1.2.

[yukosteel]

It's a know difference of Fuji Color Profiles on different cameras. You can see that from DPreview tests

 

Fuji had a bit wider DR (-6 : +3.5) on cameras: X-Pro1, X100, X-E1

Now Fuji has more narrow DR (-4 : +4) on cameras: X100T, X-E2, X-T1, X-T10

 

That's why you see darker tones for same Provia profile.

 

DPreview comments on that:

"The X-T1 offers around 4EV of highlight range, with a relatively gentle roll-off at the top rather than an abrupt clip to white. This gives a quite natural-looking, 'flim-like' response. At the other end of the range, though, it dips down rather abruptly to black, which gives distinctly punchy images but does mean that shadows are somewhat prone to blocking up."

 

I'm having similar disappointment, but trying to resolve it by:

1. Tune Color Profile tweaks

2. Overexpose +0.3EV

3. Use DR200

[milandro]

shoot raw+ whichever profile you want and keep playing with the menus as advised.

 

Should the profiles chosen not please you, you can then always go back to the raw and take it from there.