milandro

Anything is only worth something if it is useful. A lens in the cupboard at home is not worth much if it is a duplicate of something that you already have in the bag. Few will ever go out carrying both the 23 and the 27, but yes some would use one or the other and at some point find that one of the lenses is staying home more often than not. I still think, from this point of view ,that the best offer is the X-Pro-1 body + 18mm and 27mm. Real great value for money, if you then add the 60mm...you are in business and for very little money and weight you can do almost anything. If I had no camera and wanted to buy into the Fuji system on a budget that is exactly what I would buy.

not only the same offers have been around before. They only are discounting things for the holidays. I was expecting huge rebates on the XE-2 but this hasn’t happened.

well, the “ huge rebates” on the X-E2 have yet to materialize over here in the NL ( and for as far that I can see in most of Europe) and the camera still costs the same as the X-T10 (even in kit form, in fact in kits the X-T10 costs even less!) making it very difficult for anyone, unless absolutely committed to the X-E2, to buy that instead of the other especially considering that, even with the software upgrade, the X-T10 will still have some features that the X[E2 won’t have. Even at the shop which you suggested, in Canada, the X-T10 is $100 CHEAPER! than the X-E2! https://lensandshutter.com/content/fuji-savings and frankly speaking the prices are more or less the same as everywhere else the only difference is the exchange rate differential. Buying in the US or Asia for us is not an option since the value added tax VAT ( varying from 19 to 25%) and the high shipping costs including “ handling through customs” would nullify any price advantage possibly found abroad. Of course, buying abroad also implies bank transfer commissions and exchange commissions.

few people will have both lenses, but not many collectors?

Ok, ok, the X pro 2 is coming so the X pro 1 has to go. A nice offer was the body, and 18mm and the 27mm. Not the most popular of lenses but hey, for €899? Great value! Then there were the so called irresistible rebates which went in a few days ago, just before X mas.... Well most of these offers were there already a couple of months ago. Then the prices went back to “ normal” and now they are back to were they were before. HUGE rebates What’s in an adjective But one of the “ offers” has to be the weirdest that I have seen in a very long time. The X Pro 1 , the 23mm 1.4 great lens and the ... 27mm. I had to read twice. The 23mm and the 27mm? Together? Why?

there is a market for any camera, I guess. However having a camera like this with no EVF but just the LCD positions it into a very small niche , methinks.

I don’t think that before there were better photographers, jus a a lot less pictures taken obviously the people on this forum prefer cameras to phones, otherwise they wouldn’t be here

playing with words

looks nice But... It comes in a “ white box” which probably only means that the lens was part of a kit and was split from the body. And... the guarantee is the vendor’s guarantee , which is a bit strange. On the other hand you have 180 days paypal protection...if something goes wrong.

If you live in the EU remember that you will be charged VAT on anything you buy above ( depends on the country) €20. Next to the VAT you will also be charged some mysterious fee “ handling through customs “ levied by the postal service or courier used. Some vendors offer tax paid ( and often you get to pay tax anyway!). You can buy from Gibraltar but it is a very dubious situation.

that information hasn’t seen the light , yet, hence, wasn’t given

if, as Patrick said, the specs are the same, minus the EVF, then I don’t see how it wouldn’t have the 23mm

abducted by aliens? Maybe some of these shops got different dealership incompatible with Fuji, although in the NL most shops sell Fuji next to Sony and Leica, and they are sometimes also more or equally expensive than German shops and are all still there. Lambertin in Cologne was always a shop very aggressive pricing and they still sell Fuji. http://www.foto-lambertin.de/store/shop/specials.asp

well, I just got an email from the on-line shop which sold me my Jill.E Jack camera bag and I went to look for the price of my bag and I was shocked, OK, the dollar went up quite a bit but I paid €189 just a year or so ago and NOW the bag is €250 !!! Which is still cheaper than most leather bags in the same ballpark but what a difference!

what do you mean you lost it?

I just wonder whether trying to cover all bases won’t result in fuji shooting itself in the foot.

not much and not only the tablet or phone generation. When I bought my first fuji X-E1 camera, speaking about it among fellow mature saxophone players, someone who was there would’t couldn’t understand why I would spend good money to buy a camera when he had one in his phone. I told him that I had been a photographer all my adult life and part of my adolescence and might have different requirements than his and he was nearly offended.

that’s in fact why people use pictures shot on the phones or tablets to be viewed mostly on phones or tablets. There is a definite impoverishing of how people are consuming images, that is also the reason why so many have taken to call themselves pro photographers while they are not. I find that some customers have often lowered their expectations allowing some extremely mediocre people ( who ask a pittance for their "work “ ) in this once honorable and rewarding profession. I may have told this story before. A friend of mine who still has a studio (I closed mine 5 years ago) has serious problems to make ends meet, so he accepts to work for other photographic enterprises when he doesn’t have enough work for himself. A mail order company with an on line shop with enormous amounts of items was looking for a photographer. Their “photographer” was going on holiday so they sought a temporary replacement. My friend went to speak with them and they told him that they were paying €200 per day and that he was to produce digital pictures ready to be used for their on line operation. My friend asked how many pictures were they expecting him to produce every day, they answered 200. My friend shook hands said his goodbyes and left the premises. My first ever job conducted in my own studio in 1986 after I had been an assistant for many years and getting an advertising photography diploma, was shooting pictures for a catalogue of underwater photographic flashes and accessories. They paid me almost 30 years ago the customary fee of about €100 ( equivalent) per picture. When I had my own studio I also worked for other photographers in the summer, for example, if there was not enough work and I wasn’t going on holiday. Since I was good in the darkroom and knew how to handle baryta paper a friend who worked as printer for a photographer asked me to dry paper for her. The photographer paid me €600 a month to work for him for two months ( in 1986 I could live quite comfortably with that king of cash) Times are A changing. Mal tempora currunt.

the funny thing is that this lens has made me feel like buying a X-E2, metal version, to complement one of these in metal. I have convinced myself ( see my thread on this) that the X-E2 will see a revamp following the release of the X Pro 2 since we are a very long way I think from the X-E3. If we will see that they are, indeed, bringing the old XE-2 as close as possible to the X-T1 or T10 then it would be a great camera to go with this lens. For the time being the 35 1.4 is still offered at way more than this lens available in the NL at €399 so I wonder how the release of the new lens will affect the sales of the old one. I was very fond of the 35 1.4, my first X lens and the one which made me want to enter the system but I don’t regret selling it.

Most people using a phone to shoot pictures ( and even many of those who use cameras) will never print most of what they shoot and only ever watch on their phone screens. On other fora a seizable number of the people don’t even use computers anymore but it is all hand held devices. Within this context things look very different.

Indeed the 21 Ultron or a Summilux will cost you an arm and a leg. But in the 24mm department there are many lenses which shouldn’t break the bank mostly 2.8 Zuiko Nikkor Vivitar Tamron Soligor Sigma There are also lesser known brands , often made by the same factories

I suppose this has a lot to do with the retro look of the camera. I am quite sure this was an imput from the marketing department to the designers. I am sure that the monetary saving is marginal at best but the look of the X pro would seriously put some of its potential buyers off.

The Fuji grip is obviously equally multifunctional since it has the Arca plate at the bottom, they just never thought of the vertical plate and probably they should.

It is not your fault that it wasn’t available to you. However I got my Sunway grip only few months after the camera came on the market. Because I have a particular type of tripod where the ball head is built in the tripod itself and only use a plate there, to use a camera on that tripod the grip has to have a vertical plate too. Mounting a second vertical pate under the original grip is a solution indeed but way too clumsy (sorry) for me especially because I have problems with operating small and fiddly objects with my fingers. Adding Sugru would help but I don’t like its look even at its best ( there is one example of sugru modification of this very grip on dp review but the system doesn’t allow me to post it here)

Does anyone know more about this? Are there any rumors or inside information?