X-T2 filmic video footage

[jschoonj]

Hi everyone,

 

I've been looking into buying my first digital camera these past few weeks (currently still doing stills on 35mm film) and I really like everything I'm seeing from the X-T2. One of the main reasons I'm buying a digital camera is to do some video work as well. While looking at some X-T2 footage on YouTube and Vimeo I noticed in a whole it's a lot less filmic than say the Sony a6300. Now what do you guys think this is due to? Smaller user base for video (so the style I like is just not out there), lack of internal FLog capabilities, ... Or is it really somehow a technical thing that makes X-T2 video look more like video and less like film?

 

Looking forward to your insights!

 

 

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[kimcarsons]

What would you consider "filmic"? The Phillip Bloom color-graded-beyond-recognition look? If so, then it's because the Fuji doesn't record a log profile internally and people aren't having to try to bring back the color/contrast with clown makeup and Martian dust.

[mdelrossi]

@jschoonj,

 

It depends on what you are shooting. I shoot events and interviews, pretty standard video.

I haven't really tried any more "cinematic" styled video, though most of the "cinematic" videos I've seen usually have their shadows crushed, basically defeating the "log" output workflow meathod, and creating more steps.

 

For creating the cinematic/filmic look head over to youtube and look at some of the videos on color grading.

 

 

 

I'm about to sell my GH4 now that I have the XT2. If you set up the XT2 properly, you should have no problems getting excellent footage. 

Film style: neg standard
Shadows:-3
Highlights-3
Noise reduction-3 or4 depends on your wants
Color-3,or 4 
Then bring it into davinci Resolve (they have a free lite version that is amazing) and edit and grade away. 

YMMV

Good luck

mdr

[voodooless]

Or is it really somehow a technical thing that makes X-T2 video look more like video and less like film?

I guess what you are referring to is color grading. It means that the camera records a very flat image with little contrast so you can capture the highest possible dynamic range. Then afterward you'll need to color grade the video to get the look you like, either realistic, or "filmic". It takes some skill and time to do.

 

As already mentioned the Sony camera's can record in a flat profile on camera. The X-T2 can not (yet). You can approximate it with the settings above though.

 

On the other hand, if all that is to much work for you, I think you will be very pleased with the X-T2, since it offers a vast range of preset film simulations and settings you can change to already get a nice looking video without much work afterward.

Edited December 30, 2016 by voodooless

[jschoonj]

What would you consider "filmic"? The Phillip Bloom color-graded-beyond-recognition look? If so, then it's because the Fuji doesn't record a log profile internally and people aren't having to try to bring back the color/contrast with clown makeup and Martian dust.

Def not interested in the Philip Bloom look [emoji3].

 

 

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[jschoonj]

@jschoonj,

 

It depends on what you are shooting. I shoot events and interviews, pretty standard video.

I haven't really tried any more "cinematic" styled video, though most of the "cinematic" videos I've seen usually have their shadows crushed, basically defeating the "log" output workflow meathod, and creating more steps.

 

For creating the cinematic/filmic look head over to youtube and look at some of the videos on color grading.

 

 

 

I'm about to sell my GH4 now that I have the XT2. If you set up the XT2 properly, you should have no problems getting excellent footage.

Film style: neg standard

Shadows:-3

Highlights-3

Noise reduction-3 or4 depends on your wants

Color-3,or 4

Then bring it into davinci Resolve (they have a free lite version that is amazing) and edit and grade away.

 

YMMV

Good luck

mdr

 

Thanks for this!

 

Part of it is of course color grading, but also how movement in the video feels like. I have the feeling most people who put up Fuji X-T2 4K footage have that horrible "motion-flow 120hz" look. Probably just down to not shooting in 24/25p with correct shutter speeds I guess.

 

 

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[jschoonj]

I guess what you are referring to is color grading. It means that the camera records a very flat image with little contrast so you can capture the highest possible dynamic range. Then afterward you'll need to color grade the video to get the look you like, either realistic, or "filmic". It takes some skill and time to do.

 

As already mentioned the Sony camera's can record in a flat profile on camera. The X-T2 can not (yet). You can approximate it with the settings above though.

 

On the other hand, if all that is to much work for you, I think you will be very pleased with the X-T2, since it offers a vast range of preset film simulations and settings you can change to already get a nice looking video without much work afterward.

Thanks for your comment! I am looking to grade (or have some grading done) so I hope internal FLog will come with the next upgrade. Some part of it is down to color although I have noticed using some of the film settings with values down does help.

 

Looking forward to owning my X-T2 and trying it all out for myself!

 

 

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[kimcarsons]

Thanks for this!

 

Part of it is of course color grading, but also how movement in the video feels like. I have the feeling most people who put up Fuji X-T2 4K footage have that horrible "motion-flow 120hz" look. Probably just down to not shooting in 24/25p with correct shutter speeds I guess.

 

 

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Yes. It is very common for amateur video to be shot at far too high a shutter speed. Just like with any camera, if you want to shoot shallow depth of field video in daylight, you're going to need to use an ND filter. Nothing Fuji or camera model specific there.

[jschoonj]

Yes. It is very common for amateur video to be shot at far too high a shutter speed. Just like with any camera, if you want to shoot shallow depth of field video in daylight, you're going to need to use an ND filter. Nothing Fuji or camera model specific there.

So I guess we can just say there's more people out there on YouTube who have a X-T2 and know less about how to handle video, than for example people with an a6300 who often buy that camera exclusively for video.

 

I hope a lot of video people start to pick up Fuji for video and we see some killer stuff come out.

 

Even out of their own promo for the GFX which was all filmed with the X-T2, only the bit with the Turkish photographer in the snow had that cinematic look.

 

 

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[kimcarsons]

So I guess we can just say there's more people out there on YouTube who have a X-T2 and know less about how to handle video, than for example people with an a6300 who often buy that camera exclusively for video.

 

I hope a lot of video people start to pick up Fuji for video and we see some killer stuff come out.

 

Even out of their own promo for the GFX which was all filmed with the X-T2, only the bit with the Turkish photographer in the snow had that cinematic look.

 

 

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Yeah. Well, there are waaay more people on YouTube using Sony cameras for video than there are using Fuji period, so you're also looking at a rather small sample size.

 

The X-Pro2 and X-T2 produce excellent video with (at least) the following caveats:

 

1) Fuji uses the wrong color range value in the metadata, so videos look too contrasty without forcing this value in the player. Correcting usually requires re-encoding the video.

2) Autofocus is not very good (jerky, hunts a lot)

3) No face detect in 4k mode

4) Only up to 720P when using the wifi app

5) Sometimes impossible to set the correct shutter angle. E.g. 1/48th of a second (try it!)

7) Auto aperture is not continuous (even though the aperture is electronic, it adjusts in steps, which ruins the footage)

8) Auto ISO is very slow to adapt to changes in lighting conditions

9) Switching between stills and video requires changing many settings---not easy to do quickly

10) No IBIS :-(

 

Many would consider lack of a log profile to be a problem, but I see so much footage on youtube absolutely ruined by poor color grading that I'm tempted to call it an asset.