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my X-T2 does not seem to get as warm as my X-Pro2 for the same use... but very small sample set so far

Just picked up my X-T2 (1 of 2 on order) along with the battery grip. Got it ready to go with the grip. Here are my first impressions mainly of ergonimics Overall, I like the new ergonomics. Mostly an improvement over the X-T1... mostly because I have one immediate complaint. I am finding it hard to turn the Drive Dial. On the X-T1 the ISO dial was a smaller diameter than the Drive Dial and so the Drive Dial stuck out more and was easy to turn. On the X-T2 I have to press harder with my finger, or reach my fingernail around to hook it to turn it. It is definitely an annoyance and besides being harder, it is harder to be sure to get the setting I want. The Drive Dial knob should stick out just a smidge further. I hope the dial will loosen just a bit with use. I much prefer the position of the image preview button on the X-Pro2. It is right under the thumb and I can quickly check a shot I just took without moving my hands. I also distinctly prefer the 4 selector buttons on the X-Pro2 over the new version on the XT-2. The XT-2 is better than the XT-1 but not as easy and sure as the X-Pro2. I wish Fuji had just used the X-Pro2 part. It is more refined and effective. I do like the new position of the 'Q' button better than both the X-T1 and X-Pro2 Regarding the grip... Right off, I'm ambivalent about it. I think it is heavier and bigger than it needs to be. The 2 batteries take up only a small portion of the grip volume. Are there really that many electronics etc in there taking up all that space? It is easy to hold in a vertical position and the extra shutter and other controls are handy. However, in the regular landscape position, the grip pushes up on my pinky and third finger. On the XT-1, my pinky usually rests under the camera because it is not a tall camera. Feels secure and comfortable in the hand. With the X-T2 and grip my pinky has no comfortable place to rest and the camera feels a bit less secure with one less finger holding it. My impressions is Fuji did not put enough work into the grip. It just feels like a big block with not enough thought given to the ergonomics and shape and weight in relation to the size of the camera. There are a few tiny things that could be better. For example, the little rubber cover for the headphones opens front to back. It would be easier if it opened back to front which would also match the HDMI door right above it on the camera. Also, and maybe this is a subjective thing, but when I hold the grip in the vertical position, my forefinger does not fall right on the vertical shutter button. I have to bend my finger back in a very slightly uncomfortable position to rest on the shutter. I really want the 3 batteries so I'm going to put in the effort to get comfortable with the grip, but it does not immediately fall to hand and feel right... and I think it could.

If you like to shoot at night, then the 1.4 primes are the way to go. And they are gorgeous lenses. I have the 16/1.4, 23/1.4, 35/1.4 and the 56/1.2 Shooting out on the street at night, the 23 and 56 are my two most used lenses. I prefer the 23 to the 35 if I were to have to pick one.

Cost of course. Many people cannot afford 1, let alone both

If Nikon had a solid set of APS-C lenses, I may never have switched to Fuji. The Fuji lens lineup is unmatched in APS-C. The lenses were the primary motivation... then liking the aperture ring on (most) lenses and the old fashioned dials on the X-T1. Small and compact when desired is also of value. But it was the excellent lenses that decided it.

I ordered the grip. I expect to have it on the camera less than 50% of the time.

I am out shooting events all the time and so I see lots of quality cameras many of which have accessory battery grips that can be purchased. A large majority do not have the grip. Right now, with the X-T2 brand new, a few more people may buy the grip who do not need it, but they will quickly leave it home or even sell it and after the initial buzz, not nearly so many people will buy it. It is costly, relatively heavy to carry and not much use for many people. That will win out. Then they will go back to having one of the best small cameras in the world

I'm looking forward to trying it. I actually do shoot video, but I never really expected Fuji to put much effort into it so I preferred a focus on the still camera side. So the improved video capability certainly interests me. It might be enough that I do not need a separate camcorder which would be sweet. And they managed to add those improvements without making the camera (sans grip) much bigger.

I see no reason to buy a 135/2 when I have the 50-140/2.8 that has exceptional OIS, is very sharp and is WR. I can shoot that handheld at 1/30th second. AF is fast and it is a zoom. What would I use the 135 for? Once you get up to that sort of focal length, you have to move the feet too much for framing. I'd rather have the zoom. Primes like the 16/1.4 or 23/1.4 it is easy to quickly move the feet for framing. A 135/1.4 would be interesting just cause it would open up low light opportunities out on the street at night... but how big and expensive would that be? I'd rather a 70/1.4 !

Yes, in the end, talking about where it may be going is speculation and there is no point to bicker about it...

What new thinking? Creating a diverse and well rounded X system? My guess is that has been the plan by Fuji right from the start (assuming it did well which it has).

Lots of people have purchased the 35/2 who have the X-T10 or X-T1. The smaller lenses are not just for the X-Pro2.

The X-Pro2 is the same size as the X-Pro1 and the X-T2 is slightly bigger than the X-T1... The X-T10 is a new camera and it is significantly smaller than the X-T1 There are new smaller lenses announced. You are picking out one small increase in the whole line and then shouting about the sky falling. Buy an X-T10 with the 35/2 and 23/2 and you will have a smaller Fuji X system than you could have gotten a few years ago.

That is the thing I do not like about the X-T2... I love the dials on the X-T1 as they are. I have thin nimble fingers so I suppose some people might find them too small, but they are perfect for me. Otherwise I am very happy with 2 cards and more robust doors which adds a few grams of weight. I imagine the more flexible screen articulation also adds a few grams. My X-Pro2 feels a bit more solid and well built than the X-T1... If the X-T2 feels like the X-Pro2, that is worthwhile to me.

The Nikon D810 is just under twice the weight of the X-T2

born to be small? That is your personal imagining about it... they are born to be a great camera system. Which includes a wide variety of options.

The article which sprouted this thread criticizes FF mirrorless on Sony... which is hardly applicable to APS-C Fuji. I think it more likely the majority of sales will be sans grip. But even if you are correct, it is irrelevant. What others do does not affect my choice. Nobody is forcing me or you to get or use the grip. It is an additional choice and has nothing to do with the article. Fuji is making a full range APS-C system. That includes bigger lenses and smaller lenses. It includes flashes, grips, remote release etc. Nobody has to buy or use all those things. The beauty of the compact Fuji camera with a gorgeous prime lens on it is in no way marred by having other options available.

The X-T2 is only slightly bigger and by the reviews of pre-production users, feels the same as the X-T1 in the hands. It is still smaller than the X-Pro1 from 5 years ago. Fuji is coming out with 23/f2 and 50/2 lenses that are smaller than the existing primes... so there is a trend towards smaller. You are speculating about a trend and ignoring data that does not support it. You are also making the claim that most people who buy the X-T2 are going to also get the battery grip (which is over $300 without the batteries). I don't think that is a safe assumption. Lots of people do not need it and wont buy it. I'm getting the grip because I want the extra batteries so that in fast changing situations I can shoot constantly at high speed for a couple hours. I have to carry the extra batteries anyway. Much of the time, I'll not be using the grip. I've shot a lot of video over the years and have been thinking of getting a camcorder. If the X-T2 video ends up being satisfactory for my uses, then that means the equipment I would carry has shrunk in size. Good for me. Neither Canon or Nikon fully supports their APS-C format. Neither of them have a good set of APS-C primes. I purchased Fuji because of the superior set of APS-C lenses including a variety of high quality primes. The smaller size is a happy bonus and I still have that. The X-T2 with the 23/1.4 is still much smaller and lighter than my DSLR's and I can still go out walking with just the camera and prime lens. Fuji is providing choices. I can put on the grip for when I need it and I can still walk around unobtrusively with the X-T2 exactly the same as I have done with my X-T1. They have maintained and expanded the smaller size advantage (new smaller lenses) while also giving users other options when needed.

I don't expect to get the f2 lenses since I have the 1.4's but I totally support the development of them. Lots of people do want the smaller lenses. I hope Fuji will not stop development of other lenses though and I would love to see version2 of the 1.4 lenses with WR and faster AF.

I ordered the X-T2 plus grip... it is easy to take it off and have a small camera with a compact prime for walking around with... same as before. Now you have the option of putting the grip on for when speed is needed. Seems complimentary to me... rather than contradictory.

I don't care much about the 24 MP... it does give some more cropping room, but it also makes bigger file sizes. The joystick is fantastic. (On the X-Pro2) and I find the lack painful on the X-T1. Big selling point. The grip with 2 extra batteries for when I am shooting street events means less battery changing. I appreciate that but it is not so bad to change batteries. Better video... and not just 4k. Definite selling point for me if it is good enough that I do not need a separate video camera. 2 Card slots is a big one for me for upgrading from the X-T1 Blackout on the X-Pro2 is much less than the X-T1. The relatively long blackout of the X-T1 bothers me. I expect the X-T2 to be as fast if not faster than the X-Pro2 General speed of the X-T1 is kinda slow. Turn on, wake up, blackout etc. X-T2 is significantly faster. Faster AF on X-T2 matters to me for sure. Better buttons and doors also matters to me. The speed with the grip means I can shoot fast changing events more effectively and yet I can take off the grip, and go out walking with a prime lens and still have the light compact camera with exceptional IQ and capability. Best of both possibilities! So once my X-T2's arrive (pre-ordered 2) I'll sell my X-T1 and keep the X-Pro2

I'll have to make a try with the OVF...

!!?? What camera? I just did an outdoor shoot with the X-Pro2. I had the camera set to high performance mode and EVF. Here and there I take a quick look at a shot I took, but for the most part, I just shoot. 2 full batteries (both new Fuji brand) managed just under 400 shots.

I placed a pre-order today for 2 X-T2 bodies with the battery grips. I'll sell my X-T1 and keep my X-Pro2. I really like the X-Pro2 and in particular the button layout. However, the advantages of the tilting screen, better video, connectivity, far more shots without changing batteries with the grip, tethering, 2 fast card slots and a bigger EVF etc decide it for me. The 2 X-T2 bodies will be my 'work' cameras and the X-Pro2 an enjoyable change of pace.

So what you are saying is that the product does not matter. It can be useless and/or poorly made crap and if marketed correctly will never flop