Maurice

Indeed the issue stopped being about Fuji when you started selectively quoting things that have no relation to each other, therein lies the cause for 'name calling'. Pulling things out of the context is the weakest ploy to use and really a common occurrence on forums with its ease of quoting. Usually this happens out of one of two reasons, either the user has no more valid arguments, or is indeed stupid and unable to understand the context. Like i have probably said 4 times now, your opinion is your opinion, but nothing i have said about Fuji's strategy (not marketing) has been about your opinion on it, or mine. When i'm not sure about anything i always make sure to clarify that i'm just thinking out loud, but when i am sure of course i can't stop anyone from believing otherwise. However, apparently i can't just stand by and have you wrongfully quote things and twist their meaning to support any of your irrelevant accusations. I said it, so i damn well know what i meant by it. It's annoying once, but twice more even after having clarified each time, really deserves such a response. Agreed !

Jesus, how stupid are you. I didn't think i should have to clarify i wasn't talking about your opinion but about Fuji, now i have done so thrice and still you refuse to listen to what i'm actually saying. Nobody can tell anyone what to like, it should be obvious. Most of us chose Fuji for the same reasons, like i have said 3 times now. But i'm not oblivious to the fact that it can't all be miniaturized, and that Fuji never planned or suggested as such. That is NOT an opinion. But nobody's stopping you from having one on it. I have simply been explaining Fuji's ways, no more no less, if you are unable to take that information objectively i cannot help you with that. Did you just get your period or what, and yes that is a personal comment. Congrats, you finally got one.

Let me make it extra clear. Concerning size you said: Wrong. False. Incorrect. Nope. Untrue. All i'm saying.

Nobody's calling anyone's preference or reasoning wrong. But to say Fuji lost or changed its way in any way, that is simply not true. They are doing the same thing they have always done. One may notice that after covering the basics they get on to the more serious and specialized optics and such, as soon as they had the confidence to do so, but it remains true to everything they have been saying and doing from the beginning. Like i said, most of us are here for the same reasons. But too many people keep saying the same thing, they're here for 'no compromise' quality, yet they complain when it ends up bigger than the **** that Sony or such (used to) pull or even DSLR. Some things just don't get any smaller without sacrificing something, whether it's body handling, or optics .. it is whatever size it needs to be. Deal with it, or go MFT. Seriously though. Something like a 100-400mm, it just doesn't scale well or at all when aiming for equivalent results to FF. It's just how it is, and that is what they keep telling us they're aiming for.

Indeed the body itself looks the same to me. It's difficult to tell what protrusions they did or didn't measure, but i think this is right .. The red guides are the exact dimensions of course.

Of course, that's why nearly all of us are here. Fuji uses Mirrorless for efficiency, meaning nothing is ever bigger than it *needs* to be. The result is often less bulk, and less weight indeed, compared to DSLR that is. But it has always been quality first. If that means it has to be bigger (than its competitors) then it will be bigger, and they consistently enforce this philosophy with only a few exceptions really. This X70 would be one where they traded some usability for size, but still it's noticeably bigger than the Ricoh GR. Then there's the 27mm pancake that was made to be small and fit with the X-M1, losing the aperture ring in the process. They didn't sacrifice quality there either though, that's why it's only F2.8 where others most definitely would have gone for F2. @Eric, sorry meant to say X30.

Would have preferred it slimmed down just a little, but i like having a good weight to it. 45g more of the good stuff ! Probably no way to get it smaller anyway since the VF is already at the very outer corner, and bringing it in closer would mean even more lens obstruction. And with that there is little sense in changing any of the other corners and dimensions so that's that.

... that's just wrong. Fuji's X series has never been about small, always about quality. The X10 wasn't small, and the X70 X30 even less so for a 2/3" sensor. The X100 isn't small apart from the pancake lens, the X-E's just aren't small either, and the X-Pro again even less so. ... where do you even get such an idea. All of them for good reason though. Fuji has been on this very path from the start, the only off product so far is this thing, and maybe the X-A/M bodies though those do seem to have successfully attracted some newcomers to X-mount - and the optical quality their glass delivers even when wrapped in cheap plastic .. again at the cost of size. There is, some size difference between Fuji's 16-50 or Sony's 16-50 as you might have noticed. The results speak for themselves.

Phase detection AF. Possibly awesome firmware update. etc.

And compared to the GR

The larger EVF, or more importantly its position, the control layout, the size, your budget etc etc. It's not meant to replace the X-T1, it's a different beast that happens to get the latest updates before the X-T2 does. There are appropriate topics to discuss the pros and cons of these personal choices.

More than mildly though i hope as the plasticky built quality of the X-M1 is atrocious compared to the X30, and from another planet compared to the X100. Though the latter is more of the premium luxury kind (that feels and looks nice, but you don't wanna drop it), while the Ricoh GR being solid as a brick feels like it could survive a drop or two.

That's one of those things they put in there just so they can say - i told you so, if there are any problems. But problems really only occur due to user error, like formatting it on Windows/Mac/Linux with the wrong settings. Formatting every time is completely redundant. The only reason is compatibility, thus indeed if you must it is 'best' to do so in-camera. But regular reads & writes can't magically change the file system on any device. *Though if your card is getting bad, then a format could help to fix bad blocks. But in that case, it'd probably be best to replace it! If one must use a PC or Mac to format it, there's actually a official SDFormatter to make sure it is done to proper sd card standards: https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/formatter_4/index.html

I don't think there's a reason for it to be any more or less than the MSRP of the original X-E2, the price would just be 'reset'. *Unless it actually is some kind of special edition in a wooden box with accessories.

A common mistake. Yeah i understand some might prefer it that way, and me too on occasion. If they had send me one for testing, i would have insisted that they put a C option the ISO dial too. The T option on the shutter speed dial already offers full control of the shutter speed electronically on the X-T1 .. so why not do the same with ISO. Seems like a small effort to offer the option, and everybody's happy. (I guess if they wanted to the same could still be done on A with a menu setting via firmware update, assuming it can't already. Basically disabling the dial on demand.)

Trust me it's going to be, pure gold !

Well i'm sure they tightened it up nicely. And it's not one of those dials on the edge so it'd be difficult to bump at all i'd say. I'm not a big dial bumper myself.

It's inconvenient if you find setting the ISO on a X-T1 inconvenient, that i would agree with. There are pros and cons to any locking button, but i like this implementation assuming it doesn't lift. Again a film camera where you only have to set it once after loading the film (if at all), and one that isn't weather resistant. Lifting up is simply way too cumbersome, every x-photographer they had send it out to would have mentioned it. No way Fuji would let that slide. Not to mention way too fragile or prone to dust and dirt - that doesn't fit the image of the rugged X-Pro built quality.

That's what i'm saying, AF improvement is something it should be able handle via firmware update since the hardware is assumed nearly the same as the X-T10. And we already know it won't get a new sensor anyway. They can't release a brand new flagship X-Pro2 that is supposed to pave the way for all future X series cameras, and then give a medium level camera the same new stuff right away. People do need a reason to pay top dollar for the latest and greatest. The S brought a huge amount of changes actually. The T arguably a little less, but still quite some interesting additions. For starters the original X100 doesn't even have xtrans but a old 12MP bayer. (anyway, wrong topic) People will always claim they don't care what's new, but most of the time that comes from people that already own a previous iteration and are just pissed that they don't have the latest anymore.

People, for the 100th time, the ISO / Shutter Speed dial is not going to lift up! It won't be any more inconvenient or prone to failure than pressing the button on the X-T1 dials.

Maybe it is actually some kind of special edition that comes pre-loaded with the new firmware - that afterwards all X-E2 user are getting anyway. Like the Silver Graphite X-T1 when it was introduced.

It's an unlock button. The outer ring is attached to the bottom ISO dial, but separated from the top. By default they are locked together and shutter speed is adjusted as you do normally, but pressing the button unlocks it so that only the ISO can be adjusted through the window, while the shutter speed stays in place. By the way, here it is in Silver with black dials.

The Fuji's have few buttons already the way i see it, at least the way i use it there is Aperture, Shutter, ISO and EV-comp. Anything else is just necessary to control the 'digital back' so to say, and unless i need to be there i'm blind to those. It's easy to do that, to 'focus' on the task at hand, because Fuji has 'all these' marked physical dials, while all the extra buttons and dials prevent you from needing to go in the menu when anything else needs a kick in the ass. Which is always something that's caused by everything that is either automated or digitized like AF modes, Exposure modes, Auto this, Auto that, and things like processing, formats, white balance, aka your built in dark room basically ànd print service. If you ask me Fuji managed to separate these things very well - or better than any other brand imho. That way we can focus on the things that matter for the actual photograph, exactly how one would with a film camera, while all the other necessities that come with todays extended capabilities remain neatly in the background. I don't see a lot of buttons at all, i see every part of modern photography neatly and logically organized, once you know what's what, and that's why i'm here really. The awesome line-up of optics is just the icing on the cake, though one doesn't work without the other of course. ps. If i'm not mistaken a firmware update for the X-T1 made it possible to fully control the shutter speed on T didn't it? It used to be for setting long exposure times only (since these of course didn't all fit on the main dial, they have to be set 'electronically'), but now it should allow full control of the shutter speed using a unmarked dial if that would be your preference.

Well if price is the issue, you can get a X100 series camera used, probably even the S, for around that price or less.

Exactly and that's why you don't cross-compare.