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That's Adobe for you - I switched from Lightroom to C1 as it became clear that Fuji was where I was going... Adobe loves Canon, likes Sony and Nikon, then falls off quickly after that. I've never heard anyone say that C1 favors one camera over another (with the possible exception of Phase One backs, which they make). Fuji's Achilles' heel is raw converter compatibility - it's "sort of" Adobe compatible, and DxO won't even open the files.
Dan, I'm happy with C1 processing but still can't find a good workflow. Currently cataloging with Lightroom and quick exports. Capture One for finals and prints.
Any tips here?
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Just wanted to drop this here. X-Pro 2 video capability first look from EOS HD http://www.eoshd.com/2016/01/fuji-x-pro-2-video-quality-a-huge-step-up-hands-on-with-the-final-hardware-pre-production-firmware/
Looks promising!
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In the $1500--$2000 non full-frame market, we'd have something like (released by Photokina, on the market by Holiday 2016), ignoring stray Leicas and the like:
1.) Fuji X-Pro 2 - "rangefinder" with superb stills, acceptable video, unique interface
2.) Fuji X-T2 - DSLR style with high speed, excellent stills, 4K video with high data rate (but no specialized video interfaces - maybe an "adapter box"), many dial controls.
3.) Nikon D500 - rugged sports DSLR, trades some image quality for speed, amazing high ISO, 4K video, but limited video functions
4.) Canon 7DmkIII - similar to D500, not QUITE as fast, but some additional video features.
5.) Panasonic GH5 - "baby Cinema camera" - yes, you can use this thing for 16 MP stills, but you can take a pickup truck to LeMans or use a Ferrari to buy groceries, too! Dedicated video form factor and connectors.
Dan, I think one of the biggest selling points (pertaining to video) for the XT-2 will be the ability for existing Fuji users to use their lenses. At least that's how I see it. I'm picking up an X-Pro 2 when available. Sure, I could get a uses GH4 or GH3 for dedicated video, but I'd much rather stay within my system and make investments in lenses. That said, I'm not shoot video professionally so, I'm not expecting a full video package out of the XT-2 and that's ok.
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Fuji has been hinting strongly and publicly at the X-T2 showing up with the new sensor - comments like "the sensor and processor can handle 4k video, but that wasn't right for the X-Pro 2 - that's another camera". The new X-Processor Pro in the X-Pro 2 hints at something else, too (and Fuji's pretty much said as much) - you don't need that kind of processor speed in an image quality focused RANGEFINDER??? I haven't been able to find the processor speed (either in megahertz and core type or in megapixels/second) for any camera other than Fuji's new X-Processor Pro (and the old one by reference in the description of the new one), but it seems to be in the range of at least a Nikon D4s/Canon 1Dx class processor, if not closer to the D5...The only reason for that speed that I can see is that it is shared with another project, one where it makes sense.. I can only see three possible cameras that could need a processor like that (an X-T2 that competes only against the D7200/ EOS7D mkII class doesn't need it).
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1.) A "Top Pro" class DSLR (or in Fuji's case, the first attempt to put a mirrorless camera in that range)!
2.) A movie camera, or a true hybrid (GH4 or A7s type camera)!
3.) A medium format camera (this isn't the X-T2, but it may ALSO be sitting on Fuji's "interesting ideas" shelf, if not already in "interesting prototypes").
If I worked for Fuji, I'd be aiming at a combination of 1. and 2. above - the Nikon I'd be aiming at is the D500, not the D7200, and I'd add GH4 class or better video capabilities.
I'm guessing here, but here's my version of the X-T2...
X-Pro 2 sensor and processor
Leica SL viewfinder (or something similar)
Increased emphasis on video, since it no longer has to be the flagship still camera (I'd expect a LOT of video modes and options, some of them 4K, with GH4 level or better maximum data rates). At least 100 Mbps maximum data rate in 1080p and 4K, 200 Mbps certainly possible.
MAYBE an innovative codec in addition to H.264 (we've just begun to see native ProRes in a few cameras)
12 FPS with full autofocus (it could be either 10 or 14 (or more - the processor, astoundingly, would allow 20 FPS - see my comment on "what's this thing doing in a rangefinder" above), but I'd split the difference among likely frame rates and say 12.
Dual card slots, either SD/SD or maybe SD/XQD if they need XQD for some of the video data rates, or for an absurd frame rate
Modified X-T1 body (if the ISO dial in the X-Pro 2 works out, it may migrate to the X-T2, leaving the left side dial for drive modes and perhaps metering modes)...
Accessory grip with some additional video-focused connectors and the ability to take either multiple (3? one in the camera PLUS two in the grip ) NP-W 126s or a bigger battery
Weathersealing at least at, perhaps above the X-T1/X-Pro 2 level.
$1999
And the X-T20 (or more likely it'll be the X-T7 or some other in between number),using the 24 MP sensor, but perhaps a cut down, single core version of the processor.
Existing X-T1 viewfinder
Good (but not absurdly good) video - think 50 Mbps 4K and 1080p, H.264 only. This video will probably find its way to the X-Pro 2 with a little Kaizen firmware, which Fuji's even hinted at (the X-T2 video probably won't)
8 FPS
Single SD slot
Basically an X-T1 with the new sensor and a nice little video tweak.
$1199.
The X-T10 will stay a while, dropping to around $799 and giving an entry level choice between rangefinder and DSLR styling.- it's a similar camera to the X-E2s in a different style.
I guessed at a split upgrade for a number of reasons having to do with Fuji engineer comments AND the power of the processor. Fuji engineers consistently mention a "multimedia camera", and the X-T1 really isn't one. It's a high performance still camera, but its video mode isn't even great for a midrange DSLR, let alone in the range of the mirrorless hybrids. That suggests the upgrade will have something distinctly new in that regard... The X-Processor Pro can handle a multimedia camera, and why build it for anything else (half of it would be perfectly sufficient for the X-Pro 2, or for a "vanilla" X-T2)? Fuji is small enough that they share a lot of parts between models, and that could explain the absurdly overpowered processor in the X-Pro 2.
If I had to guess on timing, I'd say Photokina, with pre-holiday availability? It's a bit tricky, because Fuji'd want to hit Photokina with the pro camera (not have it already out 3-4 months, and have the cut-down version be the Photokina introduction). On the other hand, the cheaper camera is going to be the holiday seller...
Maybe they'll slip the X-T2 out for the Olympics (Maybe with a great new telephoto prime - how about a 200mm f2.4 which becomes a 280mm f3.5 with the 1.4x AND a 400 mm f4.8 with a 2x converter)? A 200mm f2 does even more interesting things with converters, but that's a HUGE lens (5 lbs or more), and it's over $5000 (of course, so's everyone else's fast sports telephoto)... Given Fuji's sensor size, a 200 mm f2 is equivalent to a 300 mm f2 on full frame, then it can convert to a 400 mm f2.8 equivalent AND a 600 mm f4 equivalent. I haven't heard ANYTHING about a long, fast prime, but it's what a body like that would need to add to the present lens lineup...
Dan, great analysis. I think you should start blogging. I'm tired of checking the forum for your posts.
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Everything is looking good. If everything holds true, this might be a good long term system for me while I wait for the rumored medium format system. Fingers crossed and credit card ready.
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I'm not on Facebook anymore. Is there somewhere else I can find the details for meet ups? Thanks!
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Very much so. Hasselblad will sync up to 1/800th of a second. Mamiya offers a mix of leaf and focal plane lenses. Schneider Kreuznach provides lenses for Phase One and Leaf (if they are still around) with leaf shutters. Pentax went with focal plane and I don't believe have any leaf shutter lenses, however, they did have at least one leaf shutter lens for the film 6×7. Leica has a mix. Leaf shutters historically have been primarily for medium and large format cameras.
Larry, thanks for the insight. My worry was that Fuji would not want to invest lens technology that isn't being used currently. But of course as you've said, that isn't true.
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If I were Fuji's lens designers, I'd release the system with four initial lenses (plus leaf shutter versions of a couple of them). Every lens (with the possible exception of leaf shutter lenses) should be weather sealed. The diagonal of 33x44 is 55 mm, so a normal lens is actually 55mm (this sounds very close to full-frame, BUT the 50mm normal on full-frame is actually a bit long - it should really be 42mm).
Dan, not necessarily disagreeing with you here... but, how realistic would it be for Fuji to produce leaf shutter lenses for a new system? Are leaf shutter lenses being produced now for other medium format systems?
I feel like as much as I would love to see the leaf lenses it would be a harder sell for them.
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How far off do we think this might be assuming it's actually being developed by Fuji right now? 2017?
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The opportunity is open for Fuji to do exactly the same thing at 33x44 that they did at APS-C - design a lens line to fit the sensor. Until Fuji came along, the vast majority of APS-C cameras were using mostly lenses built for full frame, other than entry-level zooms that were compact, but didn't offer especially high image quality. Fuji developed the first (and still only) full line of APS-C dedicated lenses, and built a very successful system that way. All existing medium format systems use lenses made for 645, both suboptimal and oversized for the digital sensor sizes (especially 33x44 mm - medium format sensor sizes are a complete mess, ranging from 33x44 up to "almost 645" at 40x54).
Dan, this really makes the most sense to me. At least, I'm crossing my fingers. Now, I'm not sure if I'll ever get the 'digital Mamiya 7' that I've been dreaming about but, I would happily take a Fuji with a medium format sensor and new lenses designed around the sensor. Now, the cost will be another issue. Would their production numbers would bring the cost of the sensor down compared to the Pentax 645Z? Assuming they would get a discount on large quantity. Wonder if a hypothetical $3-4K body is possible? I don't think a much higher number that that would be in reach by most.
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Thanks umad? - I'll admit after many years with Lightroom I've been a bit hesitant to put in the time for true in-depth learning for C1.
I'll give it a shot this year.