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Why do I prefer my x-pro1's images over my x-pro2's?

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I have a pair of XP2's and can't really fault them 

I also have an X100F

 

I really do think that the files from the xp1 and the xt1 I had were so much nicer !

 

Im having a tough time trying to convince myself bigger is better but I print my work to A1 and I have a lot of prints shot on the old sensors which are just lovely and yes you read it right .... A1 with no problem !

 

Obviously the new sensors will print to this but as others are saying they just are not the same :(

 

I use this kit professionally and dare I take a step "backwards" ?

 

I am seriously tempted  !

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Comparisons are tricky.

 

Comparing things takes two forms, variable data and attribute data

 

Say we are comparing two cars.

 

Variable data is easy: which car is fastest, which one has the biggest engine, which one has the most seats etc

 

But attribute data is hard: which car is the nicer colour, which has the more stylish interior etc

 

The same apllies to the two X-Pros

 

Which has the most features etc

 

But even the images

 

The XP2 has more DR, bigger files, more acurity, better ISO performance

 

But that doesn't mean that one might not prefer the look and style of the original

 

In reality, I personally find that comparing two things that do the same job is always win some/lose some

 

I'm sure that if someone took out both cameras and took many shots, in many different places, duplicating the same scenes. Then they compared all the files, they'd prefer some from one camera and some from the other.

Edited by adzman808

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Ha! A very old thread, but it instantly resonates with me:

I still have the X-E1 at home. It was my first Fuji X camera (in late 2012) and I was so delighted with it's output. Kept it for more than 2 years as my primary camera for everything. Whenever I came home with photos, they were beautiful: sharp, vibrant, film- like.

I then went for the X-T1: Still excellent skin tones, but more modern color look, but so much better EVF, AF etc. Kept it for even longer than the X-E1, accompanied after a year by the Sony a7rII. Sony sensor is technically a piece of wonder, 42MP tack sharp with IBIS, deep DR, low noise etc. But the colors are one greenish mess in comparison. Sold it after a while.

In  early 2018 I bought the X-H1: IBIS; superb shutter, 24MP, and quite good color.

Until one day I looked through my 2012-14 archives, and man, I almost had forgotten how vibrant, filmish colors look like. What worth is a huge EVF if - in the end - the photos look less - well - photogenic?

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Funny this thread is still alive. I’m still happy with my x-pro2, but am still considering getting an x-e1 for that marvelous sensor, and the slightly bigger EVF. However, as I have started shooting vintage lenses, I remember how unimpressive the focus peaking was on my x-pro1, and it is hardly better on the x-e1, and then I’m back to keeping my x-pro2, where focus peaking is quite good. Ah well...

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For anyone who has used the X-Pro1 and 2 (and processes in Capture 1 ideally) .....

Ignoring completely the whole SOOC fuji magic debate between the Xpro1 and 2 (I only ever shoot Raw) is there really any discernible difference between the unprocessed Raw files from both these cameras? By unprocessed I mean how the file appears brought straight into Capture 1, LR etc...without any processing applied. 

Does the extra data in the Xpro2 Raw's (boosting detail, contrast, tonal gradation) REALLY produce a totally different looking RAW file to the Xpro1? or are Xpro2 unprocessed Raws pretty much the same looking as the Xpro1? And I'm talking about basic shooting, so not using lenses with an obvious signature and using available light. 

I don't mind if answers are vague and subjective! It would just be interesting to know if there genuinely is a noticeable visual difference between the unprocessed Raws of both cameras - I work in fashion, so key to my image making is the general aesthetic/signatures that different sensors create.

I've used an X100f since it came out, but I'm now looking to use vintage glass on an Xpro body, so I'm just figuring out if it would be worth having the extra data 'there' available in the Xpro2 to give me more latitude to play with in the files, or if the Xpro1 can create even more visually pleasing/interesting? (subjective I know) Raw files right from the get-go. 

Thoughts anyone?

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42 minutes ago, NST said:

For anyone who has used the X-Pro1 and 2 (and processes in Capture 1 ideally) .....

Ignoring completely the whole SOOC fuji magic debate between the Xpro1 and 2 (I only ever shoot Raw) is there really any discernible difference between the unprocessed Raw files from both these cameras? By unprocessed I mean how the file appears brought straight into Capture 1, LR etc...without any processing applied. 

Does the extra data in the Xpro2 Raw's (boosting detail, contrast, tonal gradation) REALLY produce a totally different looking RAW file to the Xpro1? or are Xpro2 unprocessed Raws pretty much the same looking as the Xpro1? And I'm talking about basic shooting, so not using lenses with an obvious signature and using available light. 

I don't mind if answers are vague and subjective! It would just be interesting to know if there genuinely is a noticeable visual difference between the unprocessed Raws of both cameras - I work in fashion, so key to my image making is the general aesthetic/signatures that different sensors create.

I've used an X100f since it came out, but I'm now looking to use vintage glass on an Xpro body, so I'm just figuring out if it would be worth having the extra data 'there' available in the Xpro2 to give me more latitude to play with in the files, or if the Xpro1 can create even more visually pleasing/interesting? (subjective I know) Raw files right from the get-go. 

Thoughts anyone?

A lot of it is subjective, and like asking people ‘what’s the best colour’ the answer will be skewed by personal tastes 

The complication of sooc raw is what the camera is set too... iirc (it’s a while since I’ve played this game with both cameras) - if say aperture mode is used, then (iirc remember) the XP2 likes to produce a darker image via employing higher SS than the XP1

So would that be a fair test? Say iso200 and f4 and ss1300 on one camera VS iso200 and f4 and ss1000 on the other... and if we equalise the exposure triangle between each body, which do we go with... let the XP1 chose its own parameters and set the XP2 to match or vice versa? 

As a general rule of thumb, the XP1 produces slightly lower contrast images, the roll off into light and shadow is smoother (to be fair the pixels are bigger on the XP1) and my HUNCH is that this is where the ‘more organic looking’ rhetoric comes from

Factually, the XP1 shoots lossy compressed raw. The XP2 doesn’t - which will give you more data to play with it (not that anyone will necessarily notice)

At the end of the day... take any two things that do the same job and are built and priced in the same bracket and category (cars, watches, cameras, food blenders, whatever) and do enough comparisons and it will always be win some/lose some between each.

One just has to decide which wins one personally needs...

...which brings me to my final point... vintage glass will give you a pretty look anyway, and the manual focus aids on the XP2 are light years (well about 4 earth years) ahead of the one (yes one, not even plural) on the XP1.

That might make all the difference to you in your suggested usage case.

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5 minutes ago, adzman808 said:

A lot of it is subjective, and like asking people ‘what’s the best colour’ the answer will be skewed by personal tastes 

The complication of sooc raw is what the camera is set too... iirc (it’s a while since I’ve played this game with both cameras) - if say aperture mode is used, then (iirc remember) the XP2 likes to produce a darker image via employing higher SS than the XP1

So would that be a fair test? Say iso200 and f4 and ss1300 on one camera VS iso200 and f4 and ss1000 on the other... and if we equalise the exposure triangle between each body, which do we go with... let the XP1 chose its own parameters and set the XP2 to match or vice versa? 

As a general rule of thumb, the XP1 produces slightly lower contrast images, the roll off into light and shadow is smoother (to be fair the pixels are bigger on the XP1) and my HUNCH is that this is where the ‘more organic looking’ rhetoric comes from

Factually, the XP1 shoots lossy compressed raw. The XP2 doesn’t - which will give you more data to play with it (not that anyone will necessarily notice)

At the end of the day... take any two things that do the same job and are built and priced in the same bracket and category (cars, watches, cameras, food blenders, whatever) and do enough comparisons and it will always be win some/lose some between each.

One just has to decide which wins one personally needs...

...which brings me to my final point... vintage glass will give you a pretty look anyway, and the manual focus aids on the XP2 are light years (well about 4 earth years) ahead of the one (yes one, not even plural) on the XP1.

That might make all the difference to you in your suggested usage case.

 

"As a general rule of thumb, the XP1 produces slightly lower contrast images, the roll off into light and shadow is smoother (to be fair the pixels are bigger on the XP1) and my HUNCH is that this is where the ‘more organic looking’ rhetoric comes from"

- that's my Hunch too, I think the roll off and less punch is exactly where this 'fuji magic' has originated from. Fuji did it beautifully right out of the gate on the early X series cams.  

Thanks for taking the time with the considered answer, much appreciated! Also, your final point about the manual focussing on the Xp2 being better is indeed an important one - I use EVF mostly, so focus peaking on a higher res viewfinder is probably a wiser choice over the Xpro1. 

Still have such heartstrings though for the Xpro1, it will always be a fantastic camera. Ho hum. Use the best tool for the job eh. Cheers!

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