Fuji hatred? Why?

[milandro]

On scoop.it I regularly come across articles published on various blogs around the world which appear, at first sight, as being of Fuji interest ( which is the reason why they are there I suppose)  but when you actually open them and read the article you see that they were written with the sole purpose of a passive-aggressive hateful intent against Fuji.

 

Someone has obviously matured a grudge and it grew into the need to vocalize it. Nothing wrong about that if it were an overt cannonade.

 

But that, for the most part, is hardly the case. Most of these hateful blog posts are really disguised to appaer to be neutral, if not nice, but there is definitely some hatred there, they exude it all over the place.

 

In some cases there are some objective points made there ( although I still wonder why to put it in that particular form ) and I don’t mind that, any camera has points that might be criticized and nothing will ever be created to fit all purposes.

 

Sometimes I have the feeling that the internet is the perfect medium to encourage people to behave at their worst.

 

 

[umad?]

I noticed this too in forums. It's seems like, with the shrinking market, everyone feels threatened. So they start to hate, bash and troll (there are also Fuji Trolls out there!)

 

Strangely I have found, that this fight is worse between supporters of different mirrorless systems than with mirrorless vs dslr.

 

The (as far as I have seen) is µFT vs Sony. Never seen a good discussion, always hate and personal attacks. 

 

 

Business man like the ghost seeing Steve Huff seem to have noticed this "fight" and make use of it. They post polarizing articles, that leave one party cheering (and sharing the article), while the other one is "destroyed". Those users share the article too - all in all generating traffic and income. Most of those "reviewers" are businessmen. (that steve Huff seems to have a personal problem with Fuji is another story) 

[Aswald]

 

Sometimes I have the feeling that the internet is the perfect medium to encourage people to behave at their worst.

Sadly, this is very true....

 

From my observation, sometimes people are really talking to themselves and they want you to agree with them. To make them right or feel that they are right or have made the right choice, etc.

 

There's another type who are compulsive problem stirrers.

[Trenton Talbot]

I think i's a side effect of the widespread use of shills by some parties (not necessarily by manufacturers themselves). As a result in many cases it's not about system A versus system B, it's about the job security.

 

And these are some very insecure people… 

[flysurfer]

The best thing would be not to participate in such discussions.

 

I also don't share articles that don't present honest facts but rather rely on opinion and controversial speech to gather interest. However, most online readers seem to be more interested in controversial stuff than useful stuff. 

[adzman808]

In my fairly extensive usage of internet fora over the years, I haven't noticed to many interests that bring out people's troll sides more than photography.

 

Not only do so many users like to criticise equipment, and the people that have chosen to purchase it, but many also seem to be unnecessarily critical of each other's work.

 

Devils advocate though.....

 

Fuji do love to do things differently (it's why we love them right?) so I guess they're an esay target for trolls

[andrew brown]

Nikon hate Canon, Canon hate Nikon, Canikon hate any one that trys to ruin their monopoly.

 

Who cares?

 

Really?

 

If you've bought into the Fuji X  system, it is because it offers something that makes your photography a much more enjoyable past time (or work tool) than using any of the other systems.

That's all that matters.

 

Every system will have something the other systems don't have, and all the small minded little people trying to justify their choice as opposed to the features that choice did not come with, just to stop them feeling like they've made a bad choice.

 

I like the picture - not the camera, not the photographer, not the software used to process it, not the computer used to process it on or how good it looks on this smartphone or that tablet.

 

So, I think you can assume this will be my only comment on such a subject...

 

Look forward to enjoying other peoples pictures and advice on how to get shots or certain effects into a picture etc.

[mjh]

Nikon hate Canon, Canon hate Nikon, Canikon hate any one that trys to ruin their monopoly.

Companies or their management don’t really hate each other, or at least they don’t make it appear they do. I very rarely hear representatives of camera vendors denigrating the competition. There may be the occasional quip or friendly banter but that’s about it.

 

It is the fanboys of the various vendors that can be difficult to bear with. And it’s not just Fuji suffering from these.

[ChatNoir]

 

Sometimes I have the feeling that the internet is the perfect medium to encourage people to behave at their worst.

 

Didn't Fuji themselves picture the DSLR-user as a caveman in one of their campaigns? Aren't there a lot of Fuji fanboys (even X-photographers) writing and talking in a very offensive, even destructive manner about Nikon & Canon, making a story how they ditched all that mass-consumer gear in favor of these so much better X-series?

 

I'm almost 40 year a passionate photographer and I have really used a lot of brands and brands. None of them was perfect, but each of them had a particular 'sweet spot' in which I could use them. For me, a camera is a tool, not a cult. I don't need to over-defend like some do why I stay with a particular brand, or why I purchased a brand-new MLIC-solution, as long as the result is perfectly matching my expectations than that's my choice.

 

I still find that Fuji isn't as much the holy grail as some claim it to be, but in it's particular window of a lightweight, compact IL solution, it's one of the best things I've seen. There it stays for me, it doesn't have to be more. 

[x-tc]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up Steve Huff.  LOL.  made it all the way to the first reply. 

[milandro]

I am nothing but a casual reader or viewer of the work by the “ famous" main “ reviewers” on line and on youtube. I am barely aware of their “ articles” because I tend to discard their eagerness to tell things to the world as suspicious.

 

You will forgive my cynicism, but I have learned at great personal cost that when people are pushing an idea to you, again and again, they mostly do it for their personal gain and advantage. So I tend to take any of the famous reviewers with a large rock of salt rather than a pinch.

 

So, I wasn’t referring to any of those "big names " but rather more, as I wrote in the opening post of this thread, to the many reviews (ofter annoyingly about the same things: over and over and over again!) of non professional reviewers ( although some might be shills but I can’t imagine someone paying for some of the frankly rather poor lucubrations)  collected on Scoop.it , which, if I understand this correctly, collects all manners of Fuji X system based articles and publishes a collection of those. If my understanding of that site is correct, authors enroll and the site publishes a link to their article.

 

If that is the case, some mean spirited contributors do so specifically on the base of enticing the Fuji interested people with an attractive title and then proceed to link an article which ends up being only a platform to vilify what obviously people on that platform, Scoop.it, like.

 

As I said passive aggressive strategy, you write a” review” in order to trash one or more of the things that you are reviewing.

 

In other and simpler words, if all you want to do is to put down Fuji this that or the other, why do you even bother to write about it this way? It really baffles me.

 

I have to say that just a couple of days ago an article appeared there which left no doubt, from the title onwards ( I won’t link it because someone might be offended by the language in that title) on the tone of what you were about to read. I’d much rather have that than reading a “ review” which turns out to be only a collection of negativity against Fuji.

 

 

[x-tc]

Milandro,

 

You are right. That is weird and thanks for clarifing you observation with scoop.it.

[craigk49]

Don't have time to worry about stuff like this. Doesn't matter if it is Fuji, Ford or the mayor. Someone with too much time on their hands will write something negative. Some people spend their entire lives looking for people, places and things to belly-ache about. I can't change that and when I start complaining about it, that kind of puts me in their way of thinking. And there is that little thing called karma. Sooner or later the Universe will balance the scales. So, I don't have to worry about it.

[NoelB]

I too, find it hard to understand why some owners of one brand feel the need to denigrate the products of other brands.

 

I have used both Canon and Nikon professionally over 40 years. Both were (generally) great  for the purpose for which they were intended.  They suited my needs well for the time.

 

Now that I am back in the ranks of the amateurs (from whence I came so long ago), Fuji is my camera of choice. They certainly aren't perfect but I find they suit my purposes well these days.

 

Do I worry about negative reviews? Nope. Although they are sometimes amusing

[citral]

Well I wouldn't care too much since generally the best photographs out there (like the magnum people, Parr, McCurry etc.) are so unwilling to speak about gear it's almost baffling.

 

They use whatever suits their needs and then look for content all day long instead of arguing on internet...

 

Sharpness fringing blabla all very well but what's in your frame ?

 

People who are complaining about gear often take pictures of a flower in their backyard and wonder why people do not say WOW but just "lovely picture..." when seing it. Must be the gear. For sure. AF speed is subpar, that flower was moving so quick you know, and look the corners are not completely sharp at f/1.4. Terrible gear limiting my creativityyyyy.

[olli]

Dramatic headlines and polarising opinions generate page views. Page views (potentially) generate revenue and make people feel like they an audience, which makes them feel like they have something significant to say.

 

The reason Parr, McCurry and the rest don't feel the need to get involved is because (apart from obviously being too busy having a life) they have something significant to say through their images.

[milandro]

This is indeed a good interpretation,  which explains the blog & youtube mania of these times and which doesn't only involve photographic products.

 

Everybody is jumping on the bandwagon of the blogging & reviewing and some are even capable of making a decent living out of this, so generating controversy is as good a method as any to generate traffic and ultimately revenue.

 

A few days ago there was a radio program that I was listening while driving,  about the most popular blogs and youtube channels and what kind of income that generates and I was simply astounded to see that people could make that kind of money in such a way but even more to hear that some folks simply tell the world what they do all day ( and we aren’t talking of people doing any special things either!) and they get enough followers to generate a regular and sufficient monthly income for which some other folks actually have to work!

[Minimax]

Nothing new....

If you read car reviews you can tell who wins just by the country the review is from.

Did you ever see a French car win in a German review? I can't remember that....

 

Still, if your'e interested, you might want to read, take out what you think is important for you and move on.

 

Trouble only starts if you go into forums. That is where the real pain starts. Even within Fuji forums you can see people defending "their" Pro1 versus the T1 or vice versa.

 

Psychology behind this is easy and should really put people to shame: everybody wants to be the best. And if my photos lack against Henry Cartier-Bresson, so what - at least my gear is better.....

[milandro]

yes, all true. Many good points to reflect upon.

 

Although my original post wasn’t written to analyze the reasons why hostility develops on internet or within fora. I have been around other fora long enough to have been subject to large amounts of that and have withstood most of it.

 

But I never came across the phenomenon of the apparently innocent review which reveals itself to have been written with mean spirited intent only after you have been enticed to read it. 

 

This must have something to do with the fact that the other fora I have been involved with weren’t much about new products for sale and indeed the possibility that commercial motives could be behind at least some of these passive aggressive reviews and reviewers reveal. 

 

Again, I am not at all surprised or even opposed to an review such as this  ( the t hides a link) where the title tells me immediately the tone of the article.

 

I never mind other opinions even if against mine and respect people who call a spade a spade 

[Minimax]

I did. Very often so!

Take the car reviews as an example.

 

You can meassure many things, but in the end it's the level of the reviewers bias....

[milandro]

Thanks, but I have never been in the habit to read car reviews. 

 

Cheers.

[9.V.III]

I'm just happy to be reading a forum where people aren't all butthurt about everything anyone ever said about anything.

I do wonder if some people are specifically relaxed about forum moderation because of generating view counts though.

[milandro]

let me clear this, again, my original post was not meant to comment on this forum but specifically on the reviews published (or republished by Scoop.it) on various blogs. I specifically referred, in particular, to comparative reviews the spirit of which is only putting down fuji cameras especially if and when said reviewers are insisting on the same things over and over again.

 

My point is that one can have an opinion, albeit negative, on anything but come clean with it don’t hide behind false pretenses.

 

I was not referring in anyway shape and form to this or any other forum.

[jlmphotos]

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to bring up Steve Huff.  LOL.  made it all the way to the first reply. 

HA!!!!  Me too!  That's one guy, and website I can't stand.  

[milandro]

what do you know...  this thread made the first page of Fuji rumors on a post promoting this forum, immediately ( before) a few hate posts appeared onto some blogs.