Izel_Photography

3-4 hours in crappy high up in the mountain typical British weather type of conditions. Camera attached to backback via Capture Clip with lens pointing down. Just seemed to run off with no misting, well, the gales probably blew a lot off as well!
 
It was a bit annoying looking through a wet view finder though! I have the camera to hand waiting for breaks in the cloud etc. Got some great snow storm shots of the Torridon mountains this way, 12 shots stitched together. Good fun!
 
Before risking it though and Knowing what could happen in the mountains, I tested it out by placing the camera in the shower while switched on for 5-10 mins..... gave the bugga a socking it would truly remember. When it survived that, I knew I could take it out and not give a flying F..... whether the heavens opened or not. Don't have time to pack and unpack gear every 5 mins, besides, by the time you get it out the opportunity has often gone.
 
Edit.
Just to point out, with the lens pointing down, the lens mount is more or less completely sheltered from the rain. I'd consider this being the weakest link in the damp proofing chain!

3-4 hours in crappy high up in the mountain typical British weather type of conditions. Camera attached to backback via Capture Clip with lens pointing down. Just seemed to run off with no misting, well, the gales probably blew a lot off as well!
 
It was a bit annoying looking through a wet view finder though! I have the camera to hand waiting for breaks in the cloud etc. Got some great snow storm shots of the Torridon mountains this way, 12 shots stitched together. Good fun!
 
Before risking it though and Knowing what could happen in the mountains, I tested it out by placing the camera in the shower while switched on for 5-10 mins..... gave the bugga a socking it would truly remember. When it survived that, I knew I could take it out and not give a flying F..... whether the heavens opened or not. Don't have time to pack and unpack gear every 5 mins, besides, by the time you get it out the opportunity has often gone.
 
Edit.
Just to point out, with the lens pointing down, the lens mount is more or less completely sheltered from the rain. I'd consider this being the weakest link in the damp proofing chain!

I find this fact quite sad really. They are producing fantastic kit and should be praised, respected and feel good about what they do. Instead, it sounds like they are treading on eggshells worrying about how a large bunch of over demanding customers will react like. Some of them remind me of you spoilt brats that got everything they asked for from their parents and if they didn't get it, they'd scream and scream and scream until they were sick 
 
The self-entitled brigade do tend to wind me up a little   

All of this reminds me the Queen’s song.
 
“ I want it all! I want it all and I want it now!"
 
I understand that, at least for some folks here, the anticipation of the new firmware update is burning the candle of their patience at both ends, but waiting shouldn’t be all that difficult! After all we all bought a great camera without all the new things and gladly used it for some time , so what’s the problem in waiting a few days more? Just use the camera as you always did and be happy!
 
There will be plenty of bugs to talk about after the official release so why wasting time on a pre-release version containing the theoretical possibility that if something malfunctions your guarantee might not be honored?
 
On the subject of the “ I want it all” part of the song, which refers to the fact that as soon as Fuji announced the upgrade for later models, some owners of the X-E2  immediately started wailing but some even felt they could reasonably find reasons to be hostile towards their previously beloved Fuji, menacing to immediately part with their camera if they hadn’t received what was rightfully theirs!
 
So, these reactions show how the psychology of the non Japanese Fuji buyer works as opposed to the Japanese way of doing marketing. As I wrote somewhere else on this forum, this will be, in years to come, an interesting case study which will be the object of much discussions in marketing and psychology courses.
 
It is a generally accepted norm that customer’s expectations need being exceeded to create that pleasant feeling of being welcomed and valued but once the customer's have been fed this extraordinary new idea of “ continuous improvement" ( the famous Kaizen, which most now think of as an imperiture promise) this Japanese sword ( an extraordinary Japanese marketing Katana) reveals itself to be a double edged one but one that unusually cuts both ways ( Katanas are normally single edged swords), creating hostility within the excluded group which feels left out and short changed ( although there is no previous tradition or promise to a never ending improvement extending for years!).
 
Peculiar! But such is the mind of the western customer!

I find this fact quite sad really. They are producing fantastic kit and should be praised, respected and feel good about what they do. Instead, it sounds like they are treading on eggshells worrying about how a large bunch of over demanding customers will react like. Some of them remind me of you spoilt brats that got everything they asked for from their parents and if they didn't get it, they'd scream and scream and scream until they were sick 
 
The self-entitled brigade do tend to wind me up a little   

I find this fact quite sad really. They are producing fantastic kit and should be praised, respected and feel good about what they do. Instead, it sounds like they are treading on eggshells worrying about how a large bunch of over demanding customers will react like. Some of them remind me of you spoilt brats that got everything they asked for from their parents and if they didn't get it, they'd scream and scream and scream until they were sick 
 
The self-entitled brigade do tend to wind me up a little   

F4 had to be announced before the X-T10 to avoid a shitstorm of epic proportions. Fuji knows very well that many of their customers are quite unreasonable and complain about everything, not only the what, but also the when. Whatever they do or don't do, it's always wrong. Just think about the endless complaints about the "missing" X-E2 update, or the X100S firmware update whining.

Well the multiple focus points work really well !

Amazing how the experts here know more about Fujifilm's products than Fuji themselves. 
Of course it's an evaluation version. And the feedback deadline was today, so my job is done. As for any changes and bug fixes in next week's final version: Fuji will of course never publicly disclose this information.

Obviously ois helps a lot on long focales, because every little hand movement is magnified x time and when x becomes really big you're in trouble without a tripod.
 
That's why it makes sense to have it on a 50-140 but you can do without on a 16-55.
 
Better leave it to a per-lens basis imo, while people who understand only technical x vs y charts want ibis (OMG y has ibis and I have x, my life sucks) people who understand photography can do fine without it.
 
You can make a perfectly fine picture of something at 1/30 or as low as half a second (lean to something, rest your elbows, etc) with a 35mm, so if you're at 1.4 and ISO 1600 that's almost complete darkness you're trying to shoot.
 
Get a flash, a tripod, or just don't insist on something that won't really be of any interest since a beautiful picture is usually made of beautiful light.

Interesting point that he's making, I've never experienced anything like that happening myself. I originally bought the Lee Filter holder when I had my Canon 5d mkii and used it with the 17-40L and tamron 28-75 f/2.8. And I used to really throw that thing around.
 
The HiTech one also looks really strong but you may need to remove one of the layers on the filter holder as It has quite a deep profile, it looks like it will cause vignetting with UWA lenses.
 
I stacked .6 & .9 Hitech grads on top of each over with no colour shift at all. Overall, they seem to offer a very good system!

I saw this video a while back and was wondering about the Formatt-HiTech system ever since.
 
All he really talks about is the holder and how it attaches to the lens, but he makes a really good point..
 
https://youtu.be/tIsRkj0evQA
 
Good to know that they don't have any shift in color.

For ND grads I would use Lee Filters 100mm Foundation Kit holder. There is no better holder. The Cokin one I had fell to bits easily.
 
As far as the filters themselves go, Cokin = colour tint and Lee Filters = perfection, at a price. But there is another option. Hitech.
 
I've used these filters for some years now and they are a lot cheaper than Lee Filters but they have zero tint, even when stacked. Well worth considering!
 
I buy them from Teamworks, a very good company with excellent customer service etc,

You can put that on a Fn button, at least with the more modern, better, state-of-the-art, cheaper X-T10.

In the opening Post of this discussion I posed a simple question about whether anyone else shared my interest in (or desire for) Image Stabilization. I appreciate the responses -- especially the early ones -- and have a much better understanding now of the strengths & limitations of IS.
 
After fifty-odd posts, however, the Forum dialog seems to have devolved into personal attacks & sarcasm, or migrated into tangential issues (e.g. wedding photography) that deserve their own topic heading. That's fine -- consider it the Tao of Forums -- but clearly we've reached a point of diminishing returns on the initial question. 
 
So, I propose placing a cap on this Topic, declaring it Done, and opening a new Topic to explore some fresh technitory incognita.

You're missing my whole point.  Fuji made the 16-55 to fill the missing gap of the 24-70 (which isn't stabilized).  So why would they stabilize it?  Not to mention it's what 800 bucks less than the 24-70?  Oh and I know a lot of photographers who shoot it on a crop without flash.  Not to mention most photographers I know are using primes during the reception.  Once the dance floor is full they switch to a wider prime.
 

But wait...I thought there was no flash solution with Fuji? I'm totally confused now. How can he use flash without TTL?  Point is, there are solutions if needed, but in most cases, they aren't needed at all.  Even though the X-T1 is a crop sensor, everyone I've ever heard talk about high ISO is very surprised by it's performance at high ISO.  Have you pushed it?  How far have you pushed it?  I'm wondering if this is coming from speculation, or experience...
 
Are you a wedding photographer?
 
Most wedding photographers that I know only use the 24-70 when they are getting started, pretty soon they switch to primes, and use the 70-200 during ceremony.

Wedding photography is indeed a large business, but compared to Commercial Photography i.e. advertising, editorial, Landscape, food & product etc, it really isn't that huge. The professional photography industry is made up of many segments and many get by perfectly without IS never mind IBIS.
 
I don't think Canon have had many issues finding people to buy the EF-24-70 f/2.8 II USM. For good reason, in most cases in Commercial Photography, it's not needed.  
 
In reality, Low light photography is actually a niche requirement, a specialist area. Later on Fuji will no doubt flesh out their range but they will cater for the biggest groups first, whether it includes us or not.
 
Besides, take a look around (not just selectively looking for people who want IS in the 16-55) and you will see many examples & reviews of people using this lens in wedding photography and are perfectly happy with it. This guy managed ok. Some rather nice low light shots amongst them.
 
And to quote another
 
"One thing that might cause someone to pause, is that this lens does not have image stabilization. Unless you’re shooting a lot of video, in which case you probably don’t own the X-T1 anyway, the lack of image stabilization is practically a non issue." - from Here
 
And this was from the top of the 1st page searching "fuji 16-55 f/2.8 for wedding photography". The reviews go and one and I did not find any that had a problem. But then again, I didn't search for the problem cases which of course are way out numbered by people who are happy with it.
 
I have no doubt IBIS will arrive at some point. I just hope it doesn't detract to much for the many so a few can use non IS lenses. And third party lens use is a small segment of the overall market.

I use a couple of X-T1's in studio with several strobes and up to 6 groups of flashes. All manual and controlled from the top of the camera. Personally, especially for studio work, I wouldn't use TTL, I want to manually balance the light from each source. 
 
Fuji do need to get their act together and come up with better flashes but that doesn't mean there isn't a solution at the moment. They also need to sort out video. For personal use I couldn't care less about video but, clients do want it and with high internet speeds and low cost storage, it's becoming more and more popular. There's a whole host of things that I would want Fuji to spend time on before IBIS.

Yes I can read, write and think logically, maybe you should try, it feels good!
 
Did you ever stop to think that I may use the 16-55 & 50-140 when weight is not an issue? And, that when it is I pop on a 14mm f/2.8, 23 f/1.4 or 35mm f/1.4? You see, that's called flexibility unlike IBIS which has to stay on 100% of the time.
 
I use Fuji for the day job because it's flexible, slap on the vertical grip + 50-140 or 56mm and take studio portraits. Take the grip off and pop on the 16-55 and head out into the mountains in crap weather looking for dramatic light. Use the T1 with a 10-24 or the 23mm prime to capture climbing action shots high up.  If I need to take shots in low light, the 23 f/1.4, 35 f/1.4 or the 56 f/1.2 comes out to play. It's ALL about IQ & FLEXIBILITY.
 
I've never once found myself feeling that I couldn't get that shot but I could if only I had IBIS. There seems to be a lot of irrational belief that this is the B all and end all in features. Especially when in a lot of cases the problems can be solved by picking up the right lens for the job, setting it correctly and using good technique.
 
"You should drop the ad hominem attacks."
That's rich coming from you, just look at the way you start your replies to people. You can't be surprised the way people respond back! 

I've been a professional photographer for 15 years (and keen amateur for 20 years before that) and the A7s is the first camera I've ever used that I didn't immediately know how to operate. Canon, Fuji, Nikon are all easy - Sony is altogether different.
 
Personally, I don't care if it's got amazing image quality, the user interface just didn't work for me. Compare that with Fuji, which I picked up for the first time and was instantly engaged and able to use and it's like chalk and cheese.
 
Moving to a crop camera was something I never thought I'd do - I'd resisted digital until the full frame 5D came out, but I find the ability to shoot wide open with perfect sharpness compensates for the lower DOF. I'll be happy if Fuji concentrate on making the most of the crop sensor, perhaps with a higher MP camera plus a lower noise version at current MP count in the future.

From a business perspective it makes sense.
 
If you use too much available resource updating FW for older equipment, you have less resource to develop FW for current / Future equipment. The more and more cameras that are released, the harder it becomes to balance available resource without impacting on future development and expansion of the company. Slow / No development = drop in profits = potential end of department as R&D capital is moved to better performing teams that return more money for their shareholders. We don't have to like it but, that tends to be the way of business. 
 
If we don't want to be looking at our X Cams in the future and thinking, "My, didn't they produce great cameras, shame they had to stop". Then we have to accept we can't have FW updates for models that have been superseded (other than bugs). If they do give us them, then we should be thankful rather than expect / demand them. 
 
I remember when I first started out. I used Canon's EOS XXD range before moving to their 5D range. There seemed to be a new camera each year with minor upgrades. Some better than others but a lot of the time just evolution. I just made a point of upgrading my camera every 2nd - 3rd year. I don't recall many FW upgrades at all, other than very minor things but mainly bugs.
 
In the end you accept that can't have everything that is on the new model and provided your camera does the job, great, keep it until it needs replacing. If something significant came out, then maybe trade in the old camera.
 
I have the X100T at the moment but when the replacement comes out, I don't expect they will update it. Thankfully, the camera will be just as good as it is today.