No, we're talking specific conditions. In perfect light conditions, low-mid ISO they are excellent. It's when light becomes poor and you crank up the ISO is where it falls apart imo. now playing around with shadow, highlight, noise reduction etc settings can have a big impact on your SOOC pics so YMMV but for me it's been very hit&miss whereas i can get way more consistent SOOC pics out of my 5D3 with minimum fuss. I shoot everything manual btw.