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#81 Sapphire73

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 02:31 AM

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Pete1959, thank you for starting this thread. While I am not a photo journalist, I am mentally filing away this info. I have had my Fuji XT-2 for less than a year and decided to take it to Kenya last spring as my only camera (apart from cell phone). Unfortunately, our hotel only had power (and hot water) for a couple of hours each night so it was challenging to keep the Fuji batteries charged. (Fortunately, I had a juice pack for charging my cell phone and could supplement with that.)

 

Thanks again for sharing your experience with Fuji and for covering the wildfires in California. 



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Posted 02 December 2017 - 12:42 PM

I looked up CIPA (Camera & Imaging Products Association) data on mirrorless cameras and made a selection of them. Being tested by an independent body, they should be much relative to one another if not absolute in real-world use.

Fujifilm XA3 - 410
Fujifilm X100F - 390
Fujifilm XT-20 - 340
Sony Alpha a6500 - 350
Sony Alpha a7R II -290
Canon EOS M10 - 255
Nikon 1 J5 - 250
Olympus PEN E-PL8 - 350
Panasonic Lumix DC-GH5 - 410

As long as camera makers concentrate on compactness and light-weight, the situation will continue. Battery grips are somewhat of a solution, but large bodies and heavy batteries are pretty much dictated to get dSLR performance.

What is that number? Exposures/battery?

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Posted 02 December 2017 - 12:48 PM

Larry, that's an interesting input. And of course photographers would always have a second body loaded and ready, when shooting at that rate.

Noting your location, here's an aside that may amuse: in the late 70's, I was working in a photographic retail store in Edmonton Centre. Very low humidity and lots of nylon carpet in the store, so static shocks were frequent.

These shocks killed three brand new Pentax ME's just from being picked up from the display cabinet before we figured out what was going on; on one occasion (you learned to hold a key between your forefingers), just touching the cash register triggered it to ring up a $100,000 sale and open the drawer.

But the weirdest thing (and one I'll take some credit for solving) was when a couple of photographers that I knew who were shooting for the Edmonton Journal kept encountering 'lightning strikes' across their negatives. This turned out to be caused by the automatic rewind in their Nikon's zipping the film back into the cassette so fast that it generated static shocks from the plastic film base passing through the 35mm canister's light blocking flocking (could not resist that) so quickly.

Lots of that, "lightning"strikes showed up in motion footage post WW2 in cold dry climes. If memory serves Life or Look even featured it as part of a article on IGY at the South Pole.

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 06:41 PM

I personally think people are way too fussy with their batteries. I have a mix of OEM and third party batteries and while I do find that the third party batteries aren't as good as the OEM, they are around 90% as good for around 15% of the cost. I've never bought an OEM battery. I'd rather buy 6 third party ones instead for the same price. I use Patona and Wasabi batteries. I've had those Chilipower ones in the past as well and find that they're the weakest of the bunch. I've never come across one of them swelling or blowing up. The only annoying thing is that the battery indicator isn't very reliable (first bar last as long as the rest put together) but that's a fairly minor issue.

 

Batteries typically last around 300-400 photos on my X-T2 but I've had it exceed 600 on a single battery. 



#85 Larry Bolch

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Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:22 PM

What is that number? Exposures/battery?

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The number of exposures you can expect from a fully charged battery.



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Posted 04 December 2017 - 10:52 PM

The number of exposures you can expect from a fully charged battery.

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Posted 05 December 2017 - 11:03 AM

I am only an amateur but I sympathise having come across this problem when I took my first Fuji, an XE-2, on a workshop in Romania. I had three batteries, which with luck would last a day, but I only had a single charger and had to keep getting up in the night to switch batteries. I had come from a Sony A77.

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Posted 08 December 2017 - 02:47 PM

Traveling far - I take with me one of those double chargers - So after a day of shooting - I load 2 batts and go for supper - and going to bed - replace them with another 2psc. so in the morning - I have fresh 4 - which easily lasts a day. Also - when there is not many electric contacts in a room/hostel - this charger has USB output - co I can also charge my phone/tabled. Another good thing - the charger shows percentage of 2 batteries being charged - separately.



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Posted 08 December 2017 - 11:44 PM

 

Working wire service news with two Fuji XT-2's at the Wine Contry, California fires.

 

Serious complaint of the system is the terrible battery life...as I started the day with 13 fresh batteries, and in six hours was down to three, despite efforts to save battery life.

 

The camera is VERY questionable as a working PJ's tool...something journalists need to keep in mind before switching systems, especially if you routinely cover extended assignments and won't have power to charge batteries, even if you had the time or patience to do so.

 

The 9 batteries I used only got me 977 shots...that is with no "review", no pre AF, image stabilization OFF, and switching the camera OFF between shots.

 

Had I needed to remain photographing (even if I could find a power source) I was looking at six hours to get my stash of batteries back up and get me working again. As it was, using four battery chargers I wasn't ready to shoot again until the next day.

 

If I had to do "the switch" over again I would have kept my Canon 5d3's and kept it around for those times when I need long battery life, and in fact I will be ordering a Canon 5D4 this week as I simply can't/won't depend on this camera system to have the endurance needed for long days shooting news.

 

 

For everything else it's a gem, but as a working person's tool where battery life in the field I don't recommend you leave your DSLR.

 

-Peter

 

 

I don't know what you are doing but something isn't right.  I get 250, 300 shots out of my batteries.  No chimping, minimal rear LCD viewing.  I am still using the one original that came with the X-T2, my X-T1 battery, and four Wasabi's that I bought in February 2013 when I bought my first Fuji - the X-E1.  


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Posted 09 December 2017 - 10:10 AM

Asathor, the Fuji batteries are not Nimh (nickel metal hydride). They are lithium ion. They do of course gradually lose their capacity. Unfortunately for us this happens faster if they are stored fully charged.

I don't think anyone mentioned that battery drain is greatly affected by the lens that you have attached. The 50-140, with its three fast linear focusing motors plus ois eats batteries, especially as it is liable to be used with continuous af.

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 06:45 PM

Whilst it's probably the only way to quote battery life, there is not the same direct relationship between number of exposures and battery life on a mirrorless camera as on a DSLR.

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Posted 01 January 2018 - 11:46 PM

 

Working wire service news with two Fuji XT-2's at the Wine Contry, California fires.

 

Serious complaint of the system is the terrible battery life...as I started the day with 13 fresh batteries, and in six hours was down to three, despite efforts to save battery life.

 

The camera is VERY questionable as a working PJ's tool...something journalists need to keep in mind before switching systems, especially if you routinely cover extended assignments and won't have power to charge batteries, even if you had the time or patience to do so.

 

The 9 batteries I used only got me 977 shots...that is with no "review", no pre AF, image stabilization OFF, and switching the camera OFF between shots.

 

Had I needed to remain photographing (even if I could find a power source) I was looking at six hours to get my stash of batteries back up and get me working again. As it was, using four battery chargers I wasn't ready to shoot again until the next day.

 

If I had to do "the switch" over again I would have kept my Canon 5d3's and kept it around for those times when I need long battery life, and in fact I will be ordering a Canon 5D4 this week as I simply can't/won't depend on this camera system to have the endurance needed for long days shooting news.

 

 

For everything else it's a gem, but as a working person's tool where battery life in the field I don't recommend you leave your DSLR.

 

-Peter

 

I would like to know that you use it as a battery because it looks totally improbable to me unless you use batteries of poor quality.
For my part, 3 batteries lasts more than 6 hours of shooting and I do more than 1200 photos and usually I have almost 1 battery available.
I use Patona brand batteries and Baxxtar pro.
I had been using ChiliPower batteries for a while, which could not keep the charge for a long time.


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Posted 05 January 2018 - 05:56 PM

Pete,

 

Concerning the high consumption of the XT-2, I can tell you my experience since I bought a Patona charger indicating the percentage of battery charge. I am using the grip with two additional batteries and after one  hours of shooting, the first battery shows almost empty, then another one shows the same one hour later and so on. In fact, as I put these batteries in the charger, it shows that they are still charged to 60%, sometimes more.

 

I conclude that the battery level indicated by the XT-2 is completely wrong. What I didn't test so far is the time until the XT-2 shutdown itself by insuffisent electricity power. I don't know if it is only the display which is wrong or if the XT-2 assumes their is no power at all.

 

I like this new charger as I can quickly verify the level of charge outside of the XT-2 before putting them in my bag.

 

Regards,

 

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Posted 13 January 2018 - 12:17 AM

As an update:

 

I shot yesterday from 4 pm until 9:45 pm, or just under 5 hours.

 

Two X-T2's, both with battery grips, with all original Fuji batteries freshly and fully charged.

 

Boost mode on. No chimping. Turning off camera when not in use (about 60% or more of that time period?).

 

Camera 1: 516 shots and one battery remaining at 33%

Camera 2: 389 shots and one battery remaining at 66%

 

Total frames for those six batteries was 905 frames, with 33% and 66% remaining respectively.

 

Average number of shots per battery: 192

 

If I had run the remaining batteries down to zero my frame count would have been 580 and 517, or 1,097 total for the two bodies.

 

Battery drain between the two cameras seemed pretty consistent.

 

I had an additional six batteries available on this shoot, leaving me with an additional four to five hours of "working time" if I needed it.

 

Again, this wasn't non stop use.

 

This was utilizing on again off again power saving efforts.

 

My 12 batteries can be relied upon for only 7-10 hours of work for roughly 2,200 frames with no chimping and turning off the camera as often as possible.

 

Oh, BTW, it takes a long time to recharge 12 batteries!

 

My results yesterday were very consistent with my original post...

 

So there 'ya go.

 

IMHO: I don't believe someone working extended assignments in the field with limited time/availability to constantly recharge batteries should switch from a DSLR to a mirrorless camera.

 

This system is simply not up to the task of 12-15 hour days in the field.

 

Don't shoot the messenger.


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Posted 23 January 2018 - 01:43 AM

You're probably doing it wrong then. LOL how is that you have such a different experience compared to other people? I regularly shoot 2-3x more frames per battery than you get. 6 batteries gets me 3000 shots easily.

 

With plenty of chimping.



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Posted 24 January 2018 - 02:43 PM

 

Working wire service news with two Fuji XT-2's at the Wine Contry, California fires.

 

Serious complaint of the system is the terrible battery life...as I started the day with 13 fresh batteries, and in six hours was down to three, despite efforts to save battery life.

 

The camera is VERY questionable as a working PJ's tool...something journalists need to keep in mind before switching systems, especially if you routinely cover extended assignments and won't have power to charge batteries, even if you had the time or patience to do so.

 

The 9 batteries I used only got me 977 shots...that is with no "review", no pre AF, image stabilization OFF, and switching the camera OFF between shots.

 

Had I needed to remain photographing (even if I could find a power source) I was looking at six hours to get my stash of batteries back up and get me working again. As it was, using four battery chargers I wasn't ready to shoot again until the next day.

 

If I had to do "the switch" over again I would have kept my Canon 5d3's and kept it around for those times when I need long battery life, and in fact I will be ordering a Canon 5D4 this week as I simply can't/won't depend on this camera system to have the endurance needed for long days shooting news.

 

 

For everything else it's a gem, but as a working person's tool where battery life in the field I don't recommend you leave your DSLR.

 

-Peter

 

 

Don't understand.... I don't do PJ on a regular basis, but I have shot some -- example: CNN report on the Philadelphia Building collapse several years ago for starters, plus other stuff and I've never gone through more than two batteries.  Now, I don't spray and pray, I don't chimp when I'm in the groove, I just shoot....


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Fuji 60 2.4 Macro | Fuji 55-200  | Fuji 50-140 2.8

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