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#61 Arthur

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Posted 13 April 2017 - 10:55 PM

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Posted 15 April 2017 - 06:53 AM

From all the comments so far regarding the "Ultimate X" camera, it looks like IBIS is a constant request for video despite it being "impossible". And what's really weird is how people are saying the same exact thing...like staying competitive with Sony and Canonikon.

I really wish fear wouldn't rule people's lives. Growing the business will enable YOU to get even more features that you want...or maybe don't want.

I feel like Fuji is on the verge of breaking up the grasp that the big 3 have on the market if they play their cards right. But in business, 1 mistake can kill your company.

http://www.fujirumor.../#disqus_thread

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 12:40 AM

Ahhh, the winds of change.

 

http://www.fujirumor...e-the-solution/



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Posted 16 April 2017 - 02:04 PM

Ahhh, the winds of change.

http://www.fujirumor...e-the-solution/

IMO, people interested in video are best off with a camera brand specialising in video.

#65 Martin.W

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 02:30 PM

Didn't the article say that IBIS is not possible without loss of image quality (vignetting) in the corners but that that could be digitally corrected? However Fujifilm decided that a compromise like that wasn't in the interest of most x-shooters. Or am I mistaken.
My wish is that Fuji will implement IBIS with digital corrections applied and for those who doesn't like it the function could be turned off and not noticed. Same as with a touch screen. I would accept the extra cost.
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1. This shoot would not be possible without stabilization, IBIS or otherwise.
2. Seems like the same people saying IBIS is unnecessary because of tripods or that it doesn't matter because it can't freeze motion are also arguing OIS is better. Obviously there is a real bennifit in certain situations. More for some than others. Like all other functions in a camera.

Pleas accept digital correction of the vignetting. Not noticed if not used.

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Posted 16 April 2017 - 04:28 PM

IMO, people interested in video are best off with a camera brand specialising in video.

 

And again, I disagree. Look at both the Nikon D90 and the Canon 5D MKII. Game changers, especially the 5D MKII. Then came the attack of the smartphones and here we are. Being a huge fuji fan, I don't want 2 different systems from different manufacturers. If Fuji made a video centric camera that used XF lenses...sure, why not? All I am doing is requesting features that would be useful to me. I have full faith that Fuji knows the path forward where everyone wins. But words like articulated screen, touch screen, IBIS, should not send folks into hysterics. Unfortunately, it seems that politics has crept into every facet of online dialogue where it's ok to go into attack mode over ideas. 



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Posted 16 April 2017 - 06:09 PM

1. This shoot would not be possible without stabilization, IBIS or otherwise.
2. Seems like the same people saying IBIS is unnecessary because of tripods or that it doesn't matter because it can't freeze motion are also arguing OIS is better. Obviously there is a real bennifit in certain situations. More for some than others. Like all other functions in a camera.

Pleas accept digital correction of the vignetting. Not noticed if not used.

 

1 - use tripod = photo possible

 

This is a constructed photograph, so having the right equipment for the job is not normally a problem

 

OIS or IBIS is useful on long lenses (90mm or longer) that you normally wouldn't be able to handhold at slower shutter speeds (1/60 or slower) without camera shake.

 

Have I ever found myself walking around with my X camera and a lens without OIS, thinking if only i had ibis I'd have got that shot..... no that has never happened.

 

If I shot at less than 1/60s most of the time motion blur is a bigger issue, I don't photograph things that don't move that often and if i was likely to have to shoot at a very slow shutter speed,  I'd take a mono/tri-pod  or a lens with OIS.

I can see why ibis and ois are more useful for video, however no ibis/ois does a better job than a tripod (or another platform technology)

 

tldr.

 

Do I think ibis is needed, no as the lenses that could use it have ois (maybe the 90 f/2 being the only lens that could have used it)


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Posted 16 April 2017 - 07:37 PM

1 - use tripod = photo possible

 

This is a constructed photograph, so having the right equipment for the job is not normally a problem

 

OIS or IBIS is useful on long lenses (90mm or longer) that you normally wouldn't be able to handhold at slower shutter speeds (1/60 or slower) without camera shake.

 

Have I ever found myself walking around with my X camera and a lens without OIS, thinking if only i had ibis I'd have got that shot..... no that has never happened.

 

If I shot at less than 1/60s most of the time motion blur is a bigger issue, I don't photograph things that don't move that often and if i was likely to have to shoot at a very slow shutter speed,  I'd take a mono/tri-pod  or a lens with OIS.

I can see why ibis and ois are more useful for video, however no ibis/ois does a better job than a tripod (or another platform technology)

 

tldr.

 

Do I think ibis is needed, no as the lenses that could use it have ois (maybe the 90 f/2 being the only lens that could have used it)

 

 

Like I said, not possible without stabilization, IBIS or otherwise. Tripod being an example of the otherwise category.

 

As far as having one around for planed shoots. I don't. I don't own one. It's pointless to list reasons and scenarios where it would be perfectly natural not to have a tripod, use wide angel or legacy glass and still need or benefit from stabilization. You are obviously not one that would use IBIS very often. Again, like i said, IBIS like other features is used more or less regularly by different people.

 

In principal, all the arguments you make could be made for not having AF or metering included anymore. Plenty of people use cameras without it and have done so for 2000 years. It's the real way to make pictures!

 

My standpoint is that IBIS is heading towards being a future at that level of commonplace. Arguing it's not needed is just ridiculous. There are plenty of photographers that would benefit, legitimately I may add.


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Posted 18 April 2017 - 09:14 AM



And again, I disagree. Look at both the Nikon D90 and the Canon 5D MKII. Game changers, especially the 5D MKII. Then came the attack of the smartphones and here we are. Being a huge fuji fan, I don't want 2 different systems from different manufacturers. If Fuji made a video centric camera that used XF lenses...sure, why not? All I am doing is requesting features that would be useful to me.


That's all fair, but if video or IBIS are important for your work, why choose a Fujifilm X-series camera then?

Instead of buying into a system, and then hoping that the manufacturer adds the features you need, shouldn't it be the other way around?

Personally I don't care about video or IBIS (would not object to it though). I do care about size, good primes, and manual controls. If video or IBIS were important for me, I would probably look at Panasonic or Olympus.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 06:32 AM


That's all fair, but if video or IBIS are important for your work, why choose a Fujifilm X-series camera then?

Instead of buying into a system, and then hoping that the manufacturer adds the features you need, shouldn't it be the other way around?

Personally I don't care about video or IBIS (would not object to it though). I do care about size, good primes, and manual controls. If video or IBIS were important for me, I would probably look at Panasonic or Olympus.


Because if I bought Panasonic or Olympus, I'd be giving up all the things that I want from a stills camera.

I want 1 camera, 1 camera system.

#71 johant

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 07:09 AM

Because if I bought Panasonic or Olympus, I'd be giving up all the things that I want from a stills camera.

I want 1 camera, 1 camera system.

Yes, and I want a BMW GS bike with shaft drive, 150hp boxer engine, and a weight of only 100kg.

You can't always have everything in just one device.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 07:39 AM

Yes, and I want a BMW GS bike with shaft drive, 150hp boxer engine, and a weight of only 100kg.

You can't always have everything in just one device.

 

You can tell BMW to make one or else........ :lol: 


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Posted 21 April 2017 - 02:50 PM

Yes, and I want a BMW GS bike with shaft drive, 150hp boxer engine, and a weight of only 100kg.

You can't always have everything in just one device.


Except in this case, all the things I brought up are not only possible but are in fact realities in other cameras. In your example, are you asking for things that aren't even possible? Yes or No?

But I do hear and understand what you're saying. I get it. I just have a different perspective and it doesn't align with your position.

But I'll ask again, why is a fully articulated touchscreen not possible? What are the obstacles? Show me. Put it in writing. Give me something to believe in. As I've stated before, it's not enough to say you believe in something. Being able to say WHY you believe it is the most critical aspect.

#74 johant

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:58 PM

If you read back; my comment was not on your wish for an articulated touch screen but on your desire to have better video capabilities.

I'd rather have Fujifilm make a very good stills camera than a camera that tries to incorporate video capabilities, if that leads to a bulkier camera or a higher price tag.

If they can make an articulated screen as slim and as reliable as a fixed one, then I am all for it.

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Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:50 PM

Epscott

 

Please stop saying people are triggered when they simply disagree with you, its a phrase that should be saved for serious situations where someone has suffered a form of abuse and the content being discussed is genuinely likely to cause them emotional distress, trivializing its use as a put down in a thread such as this belittles you and this forum.

 

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Posted 22 April 2017 - 01:30 AM

Epscott

Please stop saying people are triggered when they simply disagree with you, its a phrase that should be saved for serious situations where someone has suffered a form of abuse and the content being discussed is genuinely likely to cause them emotional distress, trivializing its use as a put down in a thread such as this belittles you and this forum.

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Sure. As long as the disagreements do not devolve into ad hominem I'm on board.


 
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